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Re: Foreign Pilots flying in Canada

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Hey there I am a former foreign pilot because I am Canadian already and I am proud of it. But when I get here to Canada I had registered more than 10,000 TT and 8000 Multi PIC and I can tell you I have to go the same and probably worst for what all Canadians pilots have to go through. But I invite you all to check who your ancestors were and from which country they come. We are a Multicultural country and is some thing that not only me, but many Canadians are proud of it. Happen is that Canadians companies standards are so high for reason or not reason. Take a look Avianca -Colombia to become a FO for a MD-83 or a F-100 or Copa-Colombia an Copa- Panama to become a EMB 190 FO the only you need is your pilot license good knowledge in English (Michigan Test), good general know;edge and no experience at all. They give you a good ground and flight school. Or Argentina same thing or France go Air France they have their own flight school or Germany go Luftansa they have as well their own flight school and FO's goes directly from flight school to a 737 and are not companies with accidents every months because of their pilots. That's is why you find Adv's asking 3000 TT and 1000 on type you probably ask your self for that I would've flown big airplanes since I become a pilot aren''t you?
But here in Canada think in the experience you need to go for Air Canada, Jazz, CMA among many which ask for too high requirements. During the time I've been in Canada I realized that training is different here. When you go for a training you have to demonstrate your training captain that you know already how to fly what ever A/C. You are not trained how to do it first there is not a habit to really teach. Instructors in flight schools are pilots with no experience teaching what? many countries in America (all south, central and north) qualification to become a flight school instructor is at least 1500 TT and 500 single-E PIC minimum some schools ask for higher. So is so difficult to find experienced FO's or PIC with experience below 30 years old in Canada and that is the reason why companies have to hire pilots from other countries. Additional is not easy for you to ask the government for a loan for you to go and do your PPC in a 737 or your choice. And if you are approved for the loan Transport ask you for a company to sponsor you to do it other than that they do not have a SOP to evaluate when come on Sop's are based on the POH additional if you are hire in any company you have to go for your Line Indoc and be instructed in the SOP's so what is the problem? to go for a Flight Sim training your self. WE ARE THE PROBLEM. I TELL YOU is more difficult and you need better airmanship to deal with a Navajo or a B200 in winter time no nav aids short gravel rwys north of the country than go dealing with a FMS supervising an Autopilot with a cup of coffee hanging in the cup holder beside you and chatting sh....t with your FO or PIC.
My conclusion is:
There is not enough confident from companies to hire pilots from scratch WHY??? Probably not very experience pilots teaching?
We Have to change THE IDEA that you need to work in the ramp to deserve to be in the right seat.(waist of time considering you never flight no even as an observer during this time and do not receive training other than your activities on the ramp).
Improve Ground Schools Most of them are self study WHY???
We need pilots from college; professionally talking makes you more appealing.
To TEACH during flight training come on, guys, do not expect always that your student pilot is Sullenberger ( U.S Air Pilot Hudson River) Evaluate Sop's on ground before go up there so you don't waist time and fuel.
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Re: Foreign Pilots flying in Canada

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Emepa,

Check your PMs
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Re: Foreign Pilots flying in Canada

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I am surprise that this tread is dead, some who claim that this story is BS should inform them self a little more. The situation with foreigners will affect every single pilot in Canada very soon.
from all carriers, it is a major problem and it is getting bigger. Don't fool your self thinking that your heaven is safe....you could have the surprise of your life...trust me.
A major group of pilots from all companies in Canada are getting organized, numerous meetings with the government and unions.

You should all care about this, there is nothing wrong in having some foreigners flying in Canada. The problem is that they use foreigners to save on training. It is unfair competition and it is very bad for new Canadian pilots.
Remember a very important point, and is that there is no room for foreign pilots in Canada if there is one Canadian pilot unemployed!!

You should all get involve, you could also visit http://www.cocap.ca

Good luck to all,
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Re: Foreign Pilots flying in Canada

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I think what we all need to remember is that while capital is free to transcend international boundaries labour is not, necessarily. "Free trade" sounds great to the average libertarian on an ideological level...but truly "free" trade demands a level playing field, as well. If labour does not enjoy the same mobility - on the same terms - as capital, then there can be no "free trade".

I postulate...it's a position...discussion?

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Paul,

The airline 'business' has no level playing field. Political will, National interests, and company profits dictate the way forward. Always has, always will. Free Trade is a ruse. It isn't working as we imagined. Canada signs up for Free Trade with the US and Mexico hoping to get something out of it and all it has really meant is that Canada takes it up the bottom.

More and more top positions at Canadian institutions are being taken up by foreign (or American) citizens than Canadians. The practice has become acceptable to the power brokers and boards of directors in this country. Why should the airlines be any different? It seems to me that most Canadians seem to be unaware of or simply disinterested in who their CEO or head of finance is. They couldn't care less.

Free Trade? Bilateral agreements? Open Borders? No thanks. It isn't giving Canadians much in return.
Businesses can sign agreements with similar interests in far away lands. Curriencies can be converted to strengthen profits and cheaper labour found to do the work and further increase profits. Canadian workers will lose there jobs, their income, fall into default at the bank, lose there homes, have their cars reposessed in an ever increasing spiral. The resulting debts will be unpayable and uncollectible as the Canadian economy tanks. It won't be pretty.
But, business is business.

Do we not have the minds and creativity within the Canadian work force sufficient to find suitable Canadians for these positions, including the flight decks of our Canadian airlines? Of course we do.

In my opinion, it's time to get rid of things like U.S. pre-clearance at our airports and ship it all back to the good ol' U.S. of A., being the security risk that we are for Uncle Sam.
Our American cousins have interfered with our Canadian way of life for long enough IMHO. Time to bring that aggression to a grinding halt and on our terms.

Nothing against Europeans, my family lineage is European, but there is no need at the present time for ANY foreign pilots to be filling Canadian flight deck positions at any Canadian carrier.

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Re: Foreign Pilots flying in Canada

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fly4ever wrote:maybe jazz can do it for them next season! :lol:

That was the original plan Stan...

We were just completing our instructor B757 ETOPS training in early Sept '11 and the plug on the program was pulled by Thomas Cook UK due to financial reasons. We were under an accelerated ETOPS program with Transport Canada's approval which would have given us ETOPS 120 by April '12 and ETOPS 180 certification by November '12. We were to start operating Barcelona and Rome from YYZ, YUL & YHZ this summer and the YYC & YVR to HNL this fall. The Company has said the program is only on hold until Thomas Cook UK approves the operation.

One of the other posters had asked if Jazz (ALPA) has approached the CDN Government regarding the foreign worker program and that is a big resounding YES!!! ALPA Canada has convened meetings with Sunwing, Canjet and Air Transat at the table along with Lisa Raitt trying to put an end to the ‘piloting cabotage’ that is taking place in Canada. The WS flights should have been operated by the WS pilots for the last two winters, end of story...

Interesting times ahead my friends!
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Now the RCAF is also looking to import pilots:

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Canad ... story.html
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Re: Foreign Pilots flying in Canada

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It looks like the reciprocal pilot argument is going to get harder to utilize:

AV Web Flash,Apr 12,2012.
New rules for foreign pilots and foreign registered aircraft in Europe came into effect on Saturday and, depending on how member states of the European Union are implementing them, could mean that your FAA, Transport Canada or other pilot certificate or ratings are no longer recognized by the European Aviation Safety Agency. EASA Part FCL homogenizes crew licensing requirements in all EU states and essentially means that those who want to fly in the EU have to prove competence and compliance with EU rules, rather than just use the credentials of their home country. Depending on the kind of flying involved, it can be a time-consuming and costly endeavor to earn those flight privileges, particularly for IFR.

In an editorial, German magazine Pilot und Flugzeug Editor Jan Brill says the new rule ignores acceptance of European qualifications in other GA nations and makes it costly and inconvenient for those licensed elsewhere to fly in Europe. "We insult our aviation-friends all over the world by rendering their certificates worthless, we repay the openness extended by nations such as Canada, Australia or the United States by pettiness and arrogance," Brill wrote. "To anyone who knows how to fly an aircraft, we're presenting Europe at it's very, very worst." Although the new rules theoretically took effect on April 8, some countries have implemented a two-year grace period.
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Re: Foreign Pilots flying in Canada

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Jason Kenney, Minister of Immigration, will join The Huffington Post Canada for an editorial board meeting on Wednesday, April 18, where we will present him with a handful of your best questions, as chosen by HuffPost editors. Leave them now in the comments section on this page, then check back to read the answers.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/04/17 ... ref=canada

I posted my question. I encourage all of those concerned by the Foreign Pilot issue to post theirs......
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Re: Foreign Pilots flying in Canada

Post by AsheetMaDraws »

Gilles,

Is your concern with Canadian pilots everywhere?
Or are you just concerned with the pilots at Transat?

My question would be.......

How much tax revenue is generated by all the additional
employees that Sunwing hires for the winter due to it's
hiring of foreign pilots
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Re: Foreign Pilots flying in Canada

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Seriously? How much tax is generated?

No foreign pilots .. period.
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Re: Foreign Pilots flying in Canada

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AsheetMaDraws wrote:Gilles,

Is your concern with Canadian pilots everywhere?
Or are you just concerned with the pilots at Transat?

My question would be.......

How much tax revenue is generated by all the additional
employees that Sunwing hires for the winter due to it's
hiring of foreign pilots

I don't think the Transat pilots are really directly concerned. We have full employment and have recently hired.

The provincially-funded college that forms pilots in Quebec, CQFA, has about 25 graduates each year in the multi-engine category. The students who attend school there pay regular college tuition fees for the 3 year degree, and they graduate with a commercial multi-engine IFR that is funded with my tax dollars, at a cost of about $125,000 each. There are several other Provincially-funded aviation colleges in Canada. Does is make sense to fund the training of these Canadian pilots with tax dollars, only to hand over the jobs they should be getting to foreigners ?

About the tax revenues generated by the additional employees that SunWing hires, I guess you must mean this one:

http://www.flysunwing.com/flybetter/Car ... asp?id=213

Sunwing now needs a full time Flight Ops Support Coordinator that it is hiring to manage, oversee and support all the Foreign Pilots it intends to hire in the future. Here some of his main duties:
• Assisting Pilots with initial and recurrent applications for TSA clearance
• Assigning and following up on LMS Training Recurrent
• Assigning LMS Training for Foreign Pilots
• Foreign Crew Documentation - Preparing documentation packages to obtain License Validation and Immigration Documentation requirements
• Monitoring and Updating Crew Qualifications; Medicals, Instrument Ratings – Foreign Crew
• Assisting in the coordination of accommodations for FCM’s on deployment and foreign pilots operating in Canada
• Preparing Administrative Files/Training Files for Foreign Pilots
• Collecting and gathering documentation from Foreign Pilots
• Assisting and coordinating with Foreign Pilot arrivals/departure
I hope he is well paid so he can pay a lot of taxes to make up for those he will be overseeing, who themselves, will be paying NONE.
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Re: Foreign Pilots flying in Canada

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Gilles,
That's one job, the others are, hundreds of flight attendants, a hundred or so
ramp workers across Canada, catering, gate agents, check in staff, etc...
If Transat pilots weren't concerned, a lot of these threads would never have
started as it was the noise Transat made about laying off 17 pilots due to
Sunwing bringing in foreign pilots. Which I'm sure was not the reason but
a convenient place point fingers.
Bottom line, foreign pilots will still be coming into the country. Either on a
license validation or on a wet lease. The business does not support year
round employment of Canadian pilots. However, when it does, they will be
employed.
Case in point, eight new hires from Feb. this year and another eight starting
this month.
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AsheetMaDraws wrote:Gilles,
That's one job, the others are, hundreds of flight attendants, a hundred or so ramp workers across Canada, catering, gate agents, check in staff, etc...
If Transat pilots weren't concerned, a lot of these threads would never have started as it was the noise Transat made about laying off 17 pilots due to Sunwing bringing in foreign pilots. Which I'm sure was not the reason but a convenient place point fingers.
Bottom line, foreign pilots will still be coming into the country. Either on a license validation or on a wet lease. The business does not support year round employment of Canadian pilots. However, when it does, they will be employed.
Case in point, eight new hires from Feb. this year and another eight starting
this month.
No one is against Sunwing and Canjet hiring temporary pilots using short term dry-leased aircraft. We would just like those temporary pilots to be Canadians. We also want the existing Canadian laws and Regulations to be applied, to the letter.

In the case of the reciprocal pilots, the law is clear:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/ ... 01-eng.pdf
5.33. Canadian interests: Reciprocal employment, C20 General guidelines R205(b)
Entry under reciprocal provisions should result in a neutral labour market impact. Although it is not necessary that there be full reciprocity in practice within the same time frame (i.e. one for one exchange), there must at least be proof that there is or has been reciprocity, and the general order of magnitude of exchanges should be similar in order to demonstrate that, over a reasonable period of time (e.g. five years), there is a general neutral impact on the labour market.
These companies now have several years of using Foreign pilots under the reciprocal provisions. Lets tally the numbers and see whose pilots are entitled to fly in whose country (and let's not count those Canadian pilots sent to Europe by Sunwing a few years ago, to work for a European company that went bankrupt while they were there and who were left in Europe high and dry, and had to come back to Canada at their own expense)

For the LMO pilots:
This LMO B/S (let's call things by their names) needs to be stopped. There is no lack of qualified pilots in Canada and this affair about claiming that they can't find B-737NG type-rated pilots willing to work temporarily in Canada in order to justify hiring foreign workers has to be stopped, period. NOT ONE SINGLE OTHER FOREIGN PILOT is to be allowed into Canada under an LMO as far as I am concerned. SunWing just needs to hire and train the temporary pilots it requires here in Canada. There again, all I am asking is for the government's own and existing rules to be applied. From HRSDC own Website:

http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/eng/workplaceski ... kers.shtml
Hiring Steps:

In almost all cases, foreign workers must have a valid work permit to work in Canada. When hiring a foreign worker, you, the employer must generally :
Submit an application for a Labour Market Opinion (LMO) to the Service Canada Centre responsible for processing applications.
Please note that you can apply for an (LMO) before the temporary foreign worker has been identified.
Before confirming a job offer, Human Resources and Skills Development Canada(HRSDC)/Service Canada considers whether :
The job offer is genuine;
The wages and working conditions are comparable to those offered to Canadians working in the occupation;
Employers conducted reasonable efforts to hire or train Canadians for the job;
The foreign worker is filling a labour shortage;
The employment of the foreign worker will directly create new job opportunities or help retain jobs for Canadians;
The foreign worker will transfer new skills and knowledge to Canadians; and
The hiring of the foreign worker will not affect a labour disputes or the employment of any Canadian worker involved in such a dispute.
One of the conditions is that the Employers conducted reasonable efforts to hire or train Canadians for the job and another is that the The foreign worker is filling a labour shortage

It does not say that you can hire foreigners at the expense of local pilots in order to save money and make a better profit. And there is no labour shortage when it comes to pilots in Canada.

In the case of both reciprocal pilots and LMO pilots, the Foreigners must obtain a Foreign Licence Validation from Transport Canada. These licences are issued under CAR 421.07, Validation of Foreign Licences. It is here:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/r ... s/menu.htm and it reads as follows:
(2) Purposes For Which Foreign Licence Validation Certificates May Be Issued
(a) for the holder to undergo a flight test;
(b) for private recreational flying;
(c) for ferry of an aircraft registered in Canada to or from a foreign country;
(d) for the holder to give type rating training on an aircraft registered in Canada to the registered owner, or to Canadian flight crew employed by the registered owner;
(e) for the holder to receive training in a Canadian registered aircraft;
(f) for operation of aircraft registered in a foreign state under the operating certificate of a Canadian carrier provided that the privileges are limited to the type of aircraft being operated;
(g) for operation of Canadian aircraft on Canadian commercial air services in urgent circumstances; such as fire suppression operations, emergency agricultural and forestry aerial application, airlift in relief of domestic natural disasters, and search and rescue operations;
(h) for commercial air services operated entirely within a foreign country where pilots holding a licence from that country may have their licence validated for operation of Canadian registered aircraft in that country;
(i) for the operation of aircraft registered in Canada on lease to foreign carriers;
(j) for reasons other than those mentioned above where approval may be given if, in the opinion of the Minister, it is in the public interest and not likely to affect aviation safety.
Since (a) to (i) do not apply to Sunwing or CanJet, that leaves (j):

if, in the opinion of the Minister, it is in the public interest

It remains to be seen that the Minister will continue to think that it is in the public interest to issue Canadian Licence Validations to hundreds of Foreign pilots.

For the Wet-Lease pilots:
Foreign pilots brought to Canada under a Wet Lease, do not need a Foreign Licence Validation Certificate from TC. The foreign airline that employs them however, needs a permit from the Canadian Transportation Agency (CTA), but also needs to obtain from Transport Canada a Canadian Foreign Air Operator Certificate (FAOC) pursuant to Section 701.01 of the Canadian Aviation Regulations (CARs).

A number of foreign pilots, who had failed to meet the Canadian Requirements for pilots under the Foreign Licence Validation Certificate (PPC), later by-passed said requirement, by coming back to Canada to fly for SunWing under an FAOC. Will the Minister of Transport, once made aware of that situation, become less inclined to be as liberal as he has been in the past with handing out FAOCs to such airlines whose pilots can't pass a Canadian PPC? If the Transport Minister is unable to understand on his own that by authorizing this loophole, he is endangering the Canadian public that he is mandated to protect, we'll make sure a major Canadian newspaper explains it to him and to the Canadian public at the same time.........
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AsheetMaDraws wrote: If Transat pilots weren't concerned, a lot of these threads would never have
started as it was the noise Transat made about laying off 17 pilots due to
Sunwing bringing in foreign pilots.
:lol:


Bravo Gilles!
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/201 ... ml?cmp=rss
Human Resources Minister Diane Finley said Wednesday that the changes being made by the federal government to the temporary foreign worker program will make it more efficient and responsive to Canada's labour market needs.

Finley announced a number of changes to the program while at a factory in Alberta that she says will reduce red tape and paperwork for employers and speed up the time it takes for them to apply.

Employers wanting to hire foreign workers must apply in most cases for what is called a labour market opinion, which assesses how those workers would potentially affect Canadian jobs. The employer must receive a positive opinion in order to proceed with hiring workers from outside the country, and the workers need a copy of it to apply to Citizenship and Immigration Canada for a work permit.

Human Resources and Skills Development Canada and Citizenship and Immigration jointly manage the program.

The labour market opinion takes a number of factors into consideration, including the efforts made by the employer to hire Canadians to fill the jobs.

Finley said the government will speed up the application process for employers with a strong track record and give them a labour market opinion within 10 business days. The accelerated labour market opinions will be offered to employers seeking workers in high-skill occupations, including the skilled trades.

The expedited process may later be expanded to other labour market areas, according to the government's news release.

The new process is available as of today, and includes a simplified online application, a call centre to support employers, and more automated systems to cut down on paperwork, share information and track compliance.
There is no shortage of pilots in Canada. We do not want a single additional LMO to be issued by HRSDC for Foreign pilots in Canada. This loophole has been abused enough! They hire foreign pilots under an LMO not because of any alleged shortage of pilots in Canada but to save MONEY, which is not what they law was written for.
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Gilles Hudicourt wrote:http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/201 ... ml?cmp=rss
Human Resources Minister Diane Finley said Wednesday that the changes being made by the federal government to the temporary foreign worker program will make it more efficient and responsive to Canada's labour market needs.

Finley announced a number of changes to the program while at a factory in Alberta that she says will reduce red tape and paperwork for employers and speed up the time it takes for them to apply.

Employers wanting to hire foreign workers must apply in most cases for what is called a labour market opinion, which assesses how those workers would potentially affect Canadian jobs. The employer must receive a positive opinion in order to proceed with hiring workers from outside the country, and the workers need a copy of it to apply to Citizenship and Immigration Canada for a work permit.

Human Resources and Skills Development Canada and Citizenship and Immigration jointly manage the program.

The labour market opinion takes a number of factors into consideration, including the efforts made by the employer to hire Canadians to fill the jobs.

Finley said the government will speed up the application process for employers with a strong track record and give them a labour market opinion within 10 business days. The accelerated labour market opinions will be offered to employers seeking workers in high-skill occupations, including the skilled trades.

The expedited process may later be expanded to other labour market areas, according to the government's news release.

The new process is available as of today, and includes a simplified online application, a call centre to support employers, and more automated systems to cut down on paperwork, share information and track compliance.
There is no shortage of pilots in Canada. We do not want a single additional LMO to be issued by HRSDC for Foreign pilots in Canada. This loophole has been abused enough! They hire foreign pilots under an LMO not because of any alleged shortage of pilots in Canada but to save MONEY, which is not what they law was written for.
Unless I have misunderstood the process, Sunwing does not hire any foreign pilots. They all remain on the payroll of their European employer. Their licenses are validated for 3 or 6 months, which allows them to fly Canadian registered a/c.

You or someone mentioned that Sunwing does not have pilots in Germany. That is irrelevant as far as I am concerened, because EU has open border policy on labour and TUI ownes whatever airlines the Sunwing a/c and crew are wetleased to in summer months.
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For the record, I have no issues with the reciprocal agreement so long as the number of pilots coming here is equal to the number of Canadian counter parts that remain gainfully employed by going to Europe in the summer. Sounds like that has not been the case, and that is a problem.
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RogerCheckCopy wrote:For the record, I have no issues with the reciprocal agreement so long as the number of pilots coming here is equal to the number of Canadian counter parts that remain gainfully employed by going to Europe in the summer. Sounds like that has not been the case, and that is a problem.
You have stated my exact position on the matter.
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Then I think over all we are in a heated agreement then! :-)

Btw... I do NOT agree with the statement that the reason AT laid-off 17 pilots in December was because SWG had a number foreigners flying B737-800 for the short winter season. Does this mean that because the foreigners are mostly gone home now that AT have these 17 recalled? Of course not. AT have contracted out their B737-800 flying to CanJet who also have foreigners flying their aircraft BUT WITHOUT reciprocation.

Every pilot I know at SWG would prefer to see equal reciprocation. We understand the benefits for both sides of the ocean. Personally I am off to Europe for Five months and I can tell you that financially the personal benefits are very very good.

From what I can see, it appears that SWG are working towards equalizing the foreign worker reciprocating issue and it is our hope that we continue to see hiring to balance this out.

This issue of concern is bringing positive results. That in my mind is good news.
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While SWG "works towards equalizing" and slashes prices due their operating advantage, Tansat is being gutted. There's only so long they can continue to operate at a loss. If TS fails, Canjet would likely follow and then there would be over a hundred NG rated pilots on the market thus closing the foreign worker loop hole.
At that point it's an even playing ground for AC's new LCC and Westjet vacations. You would probably see a couple new players pop into the game at that point too.
May the cheapest bidder win!
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Yes indeed.... You are not predicting future so much as just reiterating history which tends to repeat itself.
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ea306 wrote:Does this mean that because the foreigners are mostly gone home now that AT have these 17 recalled? Of course not. AT have contracted out their B737-800 flying to CanJet who also have foreigners flying their aircraft BUT WITHOUT reciprocation.
AT has recalled everyone in January and hired even more since then. Once again, AT does not subcontract to CANJET, Group Transat does.
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Exactly.

And Sunwing Travel Group contracts various carriers for lift. Not Just Sunwing Airlines.

Thus the Wet Lease issue to be directed at Sunwing Vacations/Travel Group. Jobs farmed out to Foriegn carriers. Not an exclusive issue to Sunwing. This includes Air Canada, WestJet....to a lesser degree and much less noticeable as it is at Sunwing. Means less jobs for Canadian Pilots.

The Foreign Pilot on validations is a Sunwing Airline issue. Also a CanJet issue. Equal Reciprocity is what we want in order to create more work for Canadian Pilots.

And also noteworthy is that the 17 pilots laid off were flying Widebody aircraft flying mostly overseas markets and whose busiest season is the summer. To state that Sunwing having foreigners is a cause of these 17 being laid off is a smoke screen irrelevant to the issue.

That is my point sir.
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Gilles Hudicourt
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Re: Foreign Pilots flying in Canada

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ea306 wrote:Exactly.

And Sunwing Travel Group contracts various carriers for lift. Not Sunwing Airlines.
Actually no, it's Sunwing Airlnes that's doing it

http://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/44-a-2012
Sunwing Airlines Inc. (Sunwing), on behalf of itself and Travel Service, a.s. (Travel Service), has applied to the Canadian Transportation Agency (Agency) for an approval to permit Sunwing to provide its scheduled international service between Toronto, Ontario, Canada and Punta Cana, Dominican Republic using aircraft and flight crew provided by Travel Service, until May 18, 2012.
http://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/63-a-2012
Sunwing Airlines Inc. (Sunwing), on behalf of itself and Euroatlantic Airways – Transportes Aéreos S.A. carrying on business as Euroatlantic Airways (Euroatlantic), has applied to the Canadian Transportation Agency (Agency) for an approval to permit Sunwing to provide its scheduled international services between Canada and member states of the European Community using aircraft and flight crew provided by Euroatlantic, from June 11 to September 10, 2012.
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