I have read, and re-read the regulation and the definition of this rule but still fly with a variety of people who interpret this rule differently.
"controlled aerodrome" - means an aerodrome at which an air traffic control unit is in operation; (aérodrome contrôlé)
To me, this means, is there a "tower"? Is someone controlling my every move.
Then others say this includes FSS as they are a "unit".
Thoughts?
200/3,000/10
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Last edited by BEFAN5 on Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:42 am, edited 1 time in total.
Re: 200/3,000/10
Ah. Finally navigated to a real answer on TC's very user-friendly website...
"Air Traffic Control Unit • An area control centre (ACC); a terminal control unit (TCU); an airport tower control unit. "
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/p ... y-2148.htm
Problem solved.
"Air Traffic Control Unit • An area control centre (ACC); a terminal control unit (TCU); an airport tower control unit. "
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/p ... y-2148.htm
Problem solved.
Re: 200/3,000/10
Is it solved?
Does that mean that it applies at YTH/YYQ or similar aerodromes, or not? Is there an air traffic control unit in operation at YTH?
I'm not sure the answer, and I tend to change my opinion every couple of days or so.
Haven't had a CADORs issued for any of the days I decided it didn't apply....yet.
Does that mean that it applies at YTH/YYQ or similar aerodromes, or not? Is there an air traffic control unit in operation at YTH?
I'm not sure the answer, and I tend to change my opinion every couple of days or so.
Haven't had a CADORs issued for any of the days I decided it didn't apply....yet.
Re: 200/3,000/10
It is topics like this, that I really wish TC would use the same terminology throughout their publications. You really need to piece the information together.
By clicking around to three different sections of the CAR's, I put all of this together.
(b) operate an aircraft at an indicated airspeed of more than 200 knots if the aircraft is below 3,000 feet AGL within 10 nautical miles of a controlled aerodrome unless authorized to do so in an air traffic control clearance.
"controlled aerodrome" - means an aerodrome at which an air traffic control unit is in operation
an ATC unit is "a terminal control unit (TCU); an airport tower control unit. "
So I would argue, that YTH/YYQ is not covered by this speed restriction.
While on google, I found an interesting blog from a controller. He was saying, although the law is there, the only way to actually "prove" someone is violating it would be if the pilot themselves admitted to the controller that they were flying at an IAS greater than what the law allows. True airspeed, winds aloft (which are computer "model" based) are all factors that affect what the controller actually sees. He pretty much said, that unless he can 100% prove the wind aloft at that aircraft exact position, he can not prove someone violated that regulation.
With all of that being said, I generally do not EVER find myself in a position where I am greatly exceeding 200 knots anywhere near an airport. Personally, I feel that those rules are there for a reason, and regardless if someone is watching over me with a pen ready to CADOR me, I am still going to do it for my own (and passengers) safety. I bring it up merely as a topic of conversation (because it comes up in the flight deck; a lot.)
By clicking around to three different sections of the CAR's, I put all of this together.
(b) operate an aircraft at an indicated airspeed of more than 200 knots if the aircraft is below 3,000 feet AGL within 10 nautical miles of a controlled aerodrome unless authorized to do so in an air traffic control clearance.
"controlled aerodrome" - means an aerodrome at which an air traffic control unit is in operation
an ATC unit is "a terminal control unit (TCU); an airport tower control unit. "
So I would argue, that YTH/YYQ is not covered by this speed restriction.
While on google, I found an interesting blog from a controller. He was saying, although the law is there, the only way to actually "prove" someone is violating it would be if the pilot themselves admitted to the controller that they were flying at an IAS greater than what the law allows. True airspeed, winds aloft (which are computer "model" based) are all factors that affect what the controller actually sees. He pretty much said, that unless he can 100% prove the wind aloft at that aircraft exact position, he can not prove someone violated that regulation.
With all of that being said, I generally do not EVER find myself in a position where I am greatly exceeding 200 knots anywhere near an airport. Personally, I feel that those rules are there for a reason, and regardless if someone is watching over me with a pen ready to CADOR me, I am still going to do it for my own (and passengers) safety. I bring it up merely as a topic of conversation (because it comes up in the flight deck; a lot.)
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