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NORAD jets intercept Toronto-bound airliner

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http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/07/16 ... -airliner/

TORONTO — Two Canadian fighter jets intercepted a commercial airliner near Quebec City on Monday after the Toronto-bound aircraft did not respond to radio communication.

The jets were acting under the direction of the joint North American Air Defence Command, or NORAD, and intercepted the airline around 1:50 p.m. E.T.

NORAD says the jets were able to help the Boeing 767-300 to re-establish radio communications with air traffic control before the aircraft continued without incident to its destination.

Winnipeg-based NORAD spokeswoman Capt. Jill Strelieff says the airline was flying from Paris to Toronto with 303 people on board.

She says security reasons prevented her from revealing the airline involved or how long the aircraft was unresponsive to radio communications.

NORAD’s mission is to prevent air attacks against North America. It safeguards Canadian and U.S. airspace by responding to unknown, unwanted and unauthorized air activity and provides aerospace and maritime warnings for North America.




Sunwings's german finest pilots ???? :smt040
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Not sure I understand how the intercepting aircraft could "...help the Boeing 767-300 to re-establish radio communications with air traffic control...". If the 767 had been off frequency long enough to warrant a NORAD intercept, surely the crew knew there was a comm problem? Perhaps a fatigue issue?
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I always knew comm failure education was wasted time. This is the 21st century. If you don't answer your radio, you are going to be shot down.
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ATC was trying to get a hold of them for over an hour according to center after they made landfall. The guy flying the 767 said they must have missed a radio transmission; at what point do you start taking alternative means to find a proper frequency? Center advised them that there were two CF18's a mile behind them and had been following them for quite some time (even asked if they were aware of it, to which the reply was "no") and that they wanted to talk to them on guard. It almost sounds like their radios were turned down, as they said that they were monitoring guard. When multiple attempts are being made to contact you though on guard, and you don't respond something's obviously up.

These same two military aircraft escorted them all the way to Toronto.



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Not German. Portuguese.

Regardless...
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What is "guard" ?
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ogopogo wrote:What is "guard" ?
Aircraft emergency frequency. 121.5 or 243.
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YYZSaabGuy wrote:Not sure I understand how the intercepting aircraft could "...help the Boeing 767-300 to re-establish radio communications with air traffic control...". If the 767 had been off frequency long enough to warrant a NORAD intercept, surely the crew knew there was a comm problem? Perhaps a fatigue issue?

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These same two military aircraft escorted them all the way to Toronto.
No they didn't. The plane was unescorted well before he reached Toronto.
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Cadors Number: 2012Q1586
SWG221, un Boeing 767 exploité par Sunwing Airlines, effectuait un vol selon les règles de vol aux instruments (IFR) depuis Paris-Orly (LFPO) à destination de Toronto/Pearson (CYYZ). Alors que l'appareil était en route et se trouvait à l'est du VOR de Rivière-du-loup (YRI), le contrôle de la circulation aérienne (ATC) a perdu le contact avec l'appareil et toutes les tentatives de communication avec l'équipage sont restées sans réponse. Le Commandant de la défense aérospatiale de l'Amérique du Nord (NORAD) a été avisé et deux appareils F-18 ont été déployés afin d'intercepter SWG221. Suivant son interception, alors que l'appareil était à 40 milles nautiques au nord-ouest du VOR de Québec/Jean-Lesage (YQB), l'équipage a finalement établi la communication avec l'ATC. Aucun impact sur les opérations ATC. Le Centre national de l'exploitation (NOC) et les Opérations de contingence de l'aviation civile (CACO) ont été avisés.
Google translation: SWG221, a Boeing 767 operated by Sunwing Airlines, was flying under visual flight rules (IFR) from Paris-Orly (PSOA) to Toronto / Pearson (CYYZ). While the aircraft was en route and was east of the VOR Rivière-du-Loup (YRI), the traffic control (ATC) has lost contact with the camera and all attempts to communicate with the crew went unanswered. The Commander of the American Aerospace Defense (NORAD) was notified and two F-18s were deployed to intercept SWG221. Following his interception, while the aircraft was 40 nautical miles northwest of Quebec VOR / Jean Lesage (YQB), the crew finally established communication with ATC. No impact on ATC operations. The National Operations Center (NOC) and Contingency Operations Civil Aviation (CACO) were notified.
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If they didn't make contact at landfall they likely missed the CPDLC or selcal that was to advise them to call Gander, I would guess these guys were ill experienced/ill prepared on Atlantic ops and didn't know when to expect a switch to VHF and/or just weren't paying attention after they left the NAT...

Maybe that's what Sunwing and their passengers should expect with their European seasonal low bidders at the helm... maybe they should foot the fuel bill for the DND with all the $ they're saving on pilot training.
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I wonder who you work for altiplano. The 767 pilots fly those airplanes all around the world. IE way more experience then you have but don't let that get in the way of a good rant!
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I always thought Toronto people were kinda shifty. I'm glad they pulled 'em over!
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whipline wrote:The 767 pilots fly those airplanes all around the world. IE way more experience then you have
- You haven't a clue what my experience is.
- What does my experience have to do with it?

They are the ones who came over the Atlantic and kept on truckin'.

How many sectors did they go through without checking in? Gander Radio, Gander Centre, Moncton Centre, maybe Boston Centre, Montreal Centre? They didn't think to make a call until a couple F18s appeared out the window?

Maybe they've been all over the world but they sure missed out on the part about flying the Atlantic into Canada... :roll:
... or were they just asleep? :lol:

I wonder where these guys work the rest of the year?
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What does my experience have to do with it?

Because your taking a cheap shot without knowing the facts. They fly those planes all around the globe and with your vast experience you would know lost comms happen every day. Feel free to carry on with the negative Sunwing rant.
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They fly those planes all around the globe and with your vast experience you would know lost comms happen every day.
Was this flight squawking 7600?
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whipline wrote:What does my experience have to do with it?

Because your taking a cheap shot without knowing the facts. They fly those planes all around the globe and with your vast experience you would know lost comms happen every day. Feel free to carry on with the negative Sunwing rant.
It's not personal - Stick the condescension... I assume you are a pilot at Sunwing and you seem to be defending them regularly on here, I get that. But you rant just as much so don't act all holier than thou.

Was it a lost comm? Is that a fact? Didn't sound like it from what the post above reported...
ATC was trying to get a hold of them for over an hour according to center after they made landfall. The guy flying the 767 said they must have missed a radio transmission
... and they managed to make contact when the F-18s showed up. Sounds like after the crossing they didn't think to call anyone. Is that not what happened? Is that the behaviour of a vastly experienced crew? Enlighten me to your facts?
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pilotbzh wrote:http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/07/16 ... -airliner/


NORAD’s mission is to prevent air attacks against North America. It safeguards Canadian and U.S. airspace by responding to unknown, unwanted and unauthorized air activity and provides aerospace and maritime warnings for North America.

funny stuff.

(Except on Sept 11th, 2001.... :x That's a cold hard fact.)
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I will not confirm nor deny the following.

If I remember right from my time on the 757/767 is that unlike the 737NG the intercom switch on the control column is in fact NOT spring loaded in the INT position. You click it and it stays HOT unlike the NG which snaps back to off. If you go off headset to speaker and then either pilot selects the mic switch on the yoke to INT and it stays there all goes quiet on the speakers as if no one is calling you. I can't confirm or admit I have done this personally and realized it 20mins later and taken a lashing from Reine radar in Europe but me thinks its all that probably happened.
Just a guess from someone it may have happened to before.

This would account for no communications being heard.
Again a guess.
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Dash-Ate wrote - "funny stuff."

I guess I have no sense of humour. I did not find anything funny!

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