Porter Airlines-Off end of Runway

[onspeed]

If my copilot misses the 1000' mark at Fort Simpson, Inuvik, or Yellowknife, he gets his ass spanked a pretty pink colour, and threatened with no take-offs or landings for the next 5 years. A simple "mental-discipline" adjustment is all that is required.

Thats got to be the best quote of the year! I hope you bring that up in your next CRM EPT class if you do work at 7f

[Cat Driver]

Except I didn't make it.

[swordfish]

Guilty as charged. I don't work for 7F

[pdw]

Kinetic energy is directly proportional to mass - see above.

Hey, this ties the 172 (veering) example to this as well. There's hope !

When contemplating the question on the subject/context at hand, one that is worthy to ask on an exam for VFR or iFR approach, it could be in the format similar to "#37" ... or perhaps using "least wrong" to set the trap.

Let me see ... I guess I better try and get back to you on that

[Colonel Sanders]

Sure, but did you get the irony of Robert Pirsig's son being
killed after leaving the San Francisco Zen Center?

I am NOT making this up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_M._ ... sonal_life

[Morav]

This thread is a disgrace to Avcanada.

[swordfish]

Only parts of it are a "disgrace". The real disgrace is the fact that a Q-400 went off the end of a runway, like a D-8 going off the end of Thunder Bay.

[Colonel Sanders]

Reminds me of these Freddy Mercury song lyrics:

Buddy you're a boy make a big noise
Playin' in the street gonna be a big man some day
You got mud on yo' face
You big disgrace
Kickin' your can all over the place
Singin'
We will we will rock you
We will we will rock you

For years, I thought the above "you big disgrace"
was actually "your big disc brakes". Say them both
out load with an English accent and you'll see what
I mean.

It didn't make any sense to me, but many things
don't make any sense to me.

PS This is actually an on-topic posting. What kind
of brakes does a dash 8 have, hm?

[Donald]

This thread is a disgrace to Avcanada.

Agreed. If this site was decently moderated, every post by myself, Cat Driver, Hedl..Col Sanders, Swordfish, and PDW would be removed from this thread.

Only parts of it are a "disgrace". The real disgrace is the fact that a Q-400 went off the end of a runway, like a D-8 going off the end of Thunder Bay.

I think you mean North Bay there champ, if you're going to slam someone, at least get it right.

[JigglyBus]

A few of the posts in this thread have left me unsure if I understand english. There are words which I recognize, and they appear to be organized into strings, which from a distance look like sentences, but then I try to 'read' them and they might as well be dutch.

Am I alone on this? Should I get mentally evaluated by a professional?

[Siddley Hawker]

What kind of brakes does a dash 8 have, hm?

Hayes expander tube?

[AOW]

PS This is actually an on-topic posting. What kind
of brakes does a dash 8 have, hm?

Hamilton Standard?

[GyvAir]

Can't quite make out the mfr..

[7thirtyseven]

A few of the posts in this thread have left me unsure if I understand english. There are words which I recognize, and they appear to be organized into strings, which from a distance look like sentences, but then I try to 'read' them and they might as well be dutch.

Am I alone on this? Should I get mentally evaluated by a professional?

No my friend, you are doing allright, in fact your post is the only one that makes sense... and was funny too.
A few of the gentlemen posting are deep into some form of age-related brain degeneration and have conviniently forgoten the times they just plane got lucky, or perhaps theyve degenerated far enough they have drifted back to their teens and are once again invincible sky-gods.

A long time ago I witnessed a fine well respected gentleman drive a dash-8 into a snowbank.... and learned that if HE can do it, all the rest of us sad sacks are only a breath away.

[Colonel Sanders]

I think you've hit the nail on the head - safety is purely a matter of luck.

[Cat Driver]

Exactly, colonel.

All the airplanes that land and don't run off the runway are lucky.

Now if someone could figure out which flight is going to be unlucky that would be the way to improve safety.

We could just cancell that flight.

[Colonel Sanders]

I think we could improve aviation safety by cancelling all flights. That way, no one would need to be lucky, to not have an accident. Everyone would be lucky!

[Cat Driver]

Actually colonel you have this one all wrong.

The answer to safe flying is to identify the " Lucky " pilots.

If companies only hire lucky pilots safety will be guranteed.

As the decades passed and my luck held they kept giving me higher licenses until they ran out of licenses they thought I would accept.

Then one day I woke up and a higher power spoke to me and said, . your luck is going to run out on October 06 so I retired on October 05.

My run of luck had lasted fifty two years which means I was more lucky than most pilots.

P.S....

I still fly privately and my luck meter must have been reset because I still haven't run out.

[pdw]

Thank you JigB (I seriously thought you may have meant the metar "english").

CD, I'd formulate a tricky exam approach question ... flying out of HI to LO .. set up so that the best answer interprets "290V20" (found in the metar that applied only/immediately after the landing, just before 1300Z) or the "300V360" as the lesser Veering warning earlier in the "1200Z" (of the hour prior) to this approach. Most people may still be thinking V means negligeable-variable wind ... and never/nothing to worry about ... until the rare exception (not saying here .. just that it could be contributing only because it is in the metar).

(CS, ... and of a covert design where d is a 'least wrong' answer.)

[Johnny#5]

I'm sorry, you exceeded your (bracket) allowance.

[chu me]

Oh my god it's hot today! I am way up north....should be cooler! Oh wait a minute....I left my computer on.......thats where all that hot air is coming from.

[MrElm]

Can't quite make out the mfr..

Q400 NextGen uses Goodrich carbon brakes.

[Cat Driver]

What is the minimum runway length requirements for the Q400 Mr.Elm?

[Lost Lake]

I'm sure TC will amend the cars to include retrofitting gusto meters on all A/C over 12,500. After all everytime 1 idiot does something wrong, they come up with an intelligent solution to ensure it won't happen again. TCAS for all aircraft will mean no more CFITs, using real pax weiughts in 703 operations means no more over weight A/C.

How come with all the "for dummies" books out, there isn't a flying for dummies yet?

[JigglyBus]

Thank you JigB (I seriously thought you may have meant the metar "english").

CD, I'd formulate a tricky exam approach question ... flying out of HI to LO .. set up so that the best answer interprets "290V20" (found in the metar that applied only/immediately after the landing, just before 1300Z) or the "300V360" as the lesser Veering warning earlier in the "1200Z" (of the hour prior) to this approach. Most people may still be thinking V means negligeable-variable wind ... and never/nothing to worry about ... until the rare exception (not saying here .. just that it could be contributing only because it is in the metar).

Boy, I'm really getting an education here. So in the metar you're referring to....

METAR CYTZ 101300Z AUTO 34004KT 290V020 9SM CLR 24/12 A3006 RMK SLP180 DENSITY ALT 1100FT

....the 290V020 means 290 veering to 020?

We really need to start a page on here where we can write these lessons down, so future pilots don't have any misunderstanding.