(Avro) Arrow as modern day alternative to F35??

[robertsailor1]

I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm with Doc....spend the money somewhere else.

[ScudRunner]

I say call up Ivan and make deal to licence the T-50 and of course westernize it by jamming it with a comparable avionics package and weaponry for pwoning some noobs at Mapleflag etc.

Sell the remaining mothballed CF-5's to Iran or Cuba to front the licence cost and we got a deal. alas the contract will go to Bombardier to appease some separatist but hey that is Canada!

[Caracrane]

U.S., U.K., Australia, Italy, the Netherlands, Turkey, Denmark, Norway, Israel and Japan are all customers. Who is going to buy a modernized MIG-31 built in Quebec, no one. The Super Hornet is dead.[/quote]

Among all thoses countries, who bought it...

Better build a mig31 in Québec than a piece of crap made in red neck country. Canadair and Bombardier will always have their roots here in Québec, so f... off

[Caracrane]

Colonel sanders, member since 14th of june 2009 with 1881 posts, Beefatarian member since dec.01 of 2010 with 3521 posts, and Frosti from jan. 15 of 2011 with a few posts too. Hope you guys are all retired cause with the rate of posts you have I couldn't have flown for a living and have a personal life posting as much as you did on avcanada.

[Tom H]

Frosti

Like I said before, if someone privately wants to fund this thing or any other Canadian built fighter then let them. Despite what some politicians think, the defence budget is not a regional employment programme.

Since when?

I admire the sentiment, but really since when?

Tom

[Beefitarian]

Frosti

Like I said before, if someone privately wants to fund this thing or any other Canadian built fighter then let them. Despite what some politicians think, the defence budget is not a regional employment programme.

Since when?

I admire the sentiment, but really since when?

Tom

Is this post anti JSF?

[Tom H]

Frosti

Like I said before, if someone privately wants to fund this thing or any other Canadian built fighter then let them. Despite what some politicians think, the defence budget is not a regional employment programme.

Since when?

I admire the sentiment, but really since when?

Tom

Is this post anti JSF?

Not pro or con...just a reality check on defense budget allocation

[Meatservo]

When those Muslim supersonic heavy bombers come over the poles to attack downtown Sioux Lookout, you guys are going to wish they DID make a new version of a 50s era high altitude interceptor, with nuclear-tipped Genie missiles.

Are American cops really driving around in Canada killing Canadians? You know, I've got a mean streak myself. If that ever happened I'd be busy making IEDs and arming myself with small arms and other nasty things, not dreaming about fighter jets.

Edit: because of the general literacy and comprehension level on this website, I feel compelled to point out that both of the things I just wrote in this post were tongue-in-cheek. Mostly.

[Caracrane]

There You go Meatservo, It is sad to say but one day I was told from one of my uncles on board Handley Page Halifax and Lancaster, his name was Yvon Marmen, told me if I wanted to have peace I had to be prepared to face the war.

Sad but true, why don't get relax with Metallica.

[Moose47]

cncpc mumbled the following:
"We have signed treaties that allow US armed forces to come onto Canadian soil in undefined circumstances. "

Actually there has been a long history of U.S. military activity in this country. For example, during the Second World War there was a U. S. Army radar unit at Kapuskasing, Ontario to help protect the locks at Sault Ste. Marie from possible German bombers.

I guess you have never heard of N.O.R.A.D.

We have had American personnel based here in Canada since the early 1950's. The U. S. government financed, built and manned the first 11 radar stations of the Pinetree Line. They also served on the other 22 radar stations along side their Canadian brothers and sisters. There were U.S.A.F. fighter interceptor squadrons at Goose Bay, Labrador and Harmon Air Force Base (Stephenville, Newfoundland) as well as a series of gap filler radar sites along the Labrador and Newfoundland coast. They were the first line of air defence on Canada's east coast from the late 1940's to 1966. Not to mention the U.S. Navy WV-1 Connies flying radar picket out of Naval Air Station Argentia, Newfoundland. Then we have the D.E.W. Line where they served along side Canadians. We have had a sizable U.S.A.F. presence here at 22 Wing, North Bay since 1962.

Just how much more defined do you want it?????

By the way, I do servicing on tinfoil hats. Call me!

Cheers...Chris

[Moose47]

"But I really like kiking your asses"

Caracrane how can you do that when you have both feet firmly planted in your mouth?"

Cheers...Chris
'Just another Red Neck pilot'

[Instructor_Mike]

When those Muslim supersonic heavy bombers come over the poles to attack downtown Sioux Lookout, you guys are going to wish they DID make a new version of a 50s era high altitude interceptor, with nuclear-tipped Genie missiles.

Are American cops really driving around in Canada killing Canadians? You know, I've got a mean streak myself. If that ever happened I'd be busy making IEDs and arming myself with small arms and other nasty things, not dreaming about fighter jets.

Edit: because of the general literacy and comprehension level on this website, I feel compelled to point out that both of the things I just wrote in this post were tongue-in-cheek. Mostly.

It's true. We don't have the same threats like we did during the cold war. If the Americans come knocking there is nothing we could do to stop it. I think we should still defend ourselves in a limited fashion with super hornets and support NATO. Even if we don't support NATO with fighter/bombers, we can still provide transports and logistics.

As far as the F-35 itself I think it's a poor choice of aircraft with it being a single engine aircraft being high on the list of problems IMO.

I also agree with what Doc said about strengthening our search and rescue.

[Meatservo]

If the Americans come knocking there is nothing we could do to stop it.

Yeah there is. It just depends on how bad you don't want to be one of them. They'd probably have to kill me.

[frosti]

Better build a mig31 in Québec than a piece of crap made in red neck country. Canadair and Bombardier will always have their roots here in Québec, so f... off

As far as I'm concerned, Quebec can @#$! right off. You want to go build a fighter go right ahead. I'll be impressed if it gets anywhere near the flight test stage. The red neck country has built some impressive fighters and bombers, what has Quebec done besides suck $billions out of the Canadian budget for equalization payments?

[Meatservo]

I'll start the "thread lock" countdown. Three, Two,....

[Colonel Sanders]

Delete the entire ridiculous thread, IMHO.

Three pages? Really?

[Tom H]

Delete the entire ridiculous thread, IMHO.

Three pages? Really?

Think of it as a venting thread...inspired by the loss of a dream

Many people, including generations that were not yet born at the time, lament the loss of a Canadian accomplishment.

Then you can vent about the military, politicians, armchair quarterback and go on pretty wild side rants. Harmless, somewhat silly but a great place to vent on almost anything.

[2R]

The best alternative to the F35 would be some upgraded F22's.
If they cannot get some F22's perhaps they could get some of the planes that can see the F22,Some Typhoons

Has the US dropped the export ban on the F-22 yet?

They might drop the ban, if they realized they cannot afford to have military in seventy countries,fight multiple wars in many countries,fight for the worlds freedoms,mostly by themselves on borrowed money.
Having allies that can fight and WIN, might make a difference to global peace.Unless you believe the hollywood movies that the Americans won WW1 and WW2 single handed without any help from anyone else.
What would happen to any F-22's if the Quebecois decide to go their own way might be a stumbling block that would prevent Canada from aquiring weapons that would end up in the hands of a facist regime such as the PQ.Who knows how the PQ would use them against the Etnics and Anglos still in Quebec ?

[Mig29]

Sign me up, I'm in!!

And while we are at it, lets revive the Concord as well!! Toss in new 21st century engines, avionics and few composite carbon-fiber materials, hire low cost pilots and flight attendants (or better yet, hire foreign pilots on seasonal basis with a Concord type rating), buy on board snacks only (hey, it's a 2.5hr flight anyways) and you got yourself a low cost supersonic airline!!!

Kidding aside, the Avro may be a stretch, but those F35 are a complete waste of time and precious tax payers money! Buy new F/A-18s and ground base missile systems around the border areas, and we are set until the next WW3!

Better yet, toss all that out and invest it in our economy....

[frosti]

Sign me up, I'm in!!

And while we are at it, lets revive the Concord as well!! Toss in new 21st century engines, avionics and few composite carbon-fiber materials, hire low cost pilots and flight attendants (or better yet, hire foreign pilots on seasonal basis with a Concord type rating), buy on board snacks only (hey, it's a 2.5hr flight anyways) and you got yourself a low cost supersonic airline!!!

Kidding aside, the Avro may be a stretch, but those F35 are a complete waste of time and precious tax payers money! Buy new F/A-18s and ground base missile systems around the border areas, and we are set until the next WW3!

Better yet, toss all that out and invest it in our economy....

[Moose47]

"but those F35 are a complete waste of time and precious tax payers money! "

Вы, должно быть, были одним адским летчиком - истребителем. Как еще Вы F-35 - загаженные. Между прочим, Вы летели Mig 29 или MiG 29?

Did you fly the Mig 29 or the MiG 29?

Cheers...Chris

[Mig29]

Hey Chris,

I had to use Google translate for your quote in Russian

I flew MiG29 flight sim game when I was a kid and beat all levels of the game and all those high-tech US warplanes (I was that good of a -29 pilot! )

[Siddley Hawker]

I say cross the CF105 with a Cessna 172 if it's stealth you're looking for. The C172 evaded all that Serviet Roosian radar and landed in Red Square, and that was 25 years ago.

[Beefitarian]

Like I said before, if someone privately wants to fund this thing or any other Canadian built fighter then let them. Despite what some politicians think, the defence budget is not a regional employment programme.

Since when?

I admire the sentiment, but really since when?

Tom

Is this post anti JSF?

Not pro or con...just a reality check on defense budget allocation

Sorry Tom. I meant since the JSF has systems built here I believe there has been political mention that if we didn't buy them they would look for a new country to build the parts we are supposed to build. That could be considered an example of the regional employment programme thinking. No?

I like the concept that the F-35 is the best plane just buy some. I just don't know if we can afford them and honestly wish we would develop a fighter in Canada.

Eventually they shouldn't suck. Build them in Quebec. If their economy improves that helps Canada a little in my opinion. I'd like to see every provence get a system, how's that for crazy socialism/nationalism thought?

It's like your mom making you pants. Yeah the first pair are going to be an embarrasment but if she makes enough and gets good at it they might be nicer than true religion brand. If she never tries she'll never figure it out. As long as they're functional even if she has to buy the denim it's less expensive than buying Levi's.

[Tom H]

Like I said before, if someone privately wants to fund this thing or any other Canadian built fighter then let them. Despite what some politicians think, the defence budget is not a regional employment programme.

Since when?

I admire the sentiment, but really since when?

Tom

Is this post anti JSF?

Not pro or con...just a reality check on defense budget allocation

Sorry Tom. I meant since the JSF has systems built here I believe there has been political mention that if we didn't buy them they would look for a new country to build the parts we are supposed to build. That could be considered an example of the regional employment programme thinking. No?

I like the concept that the F-35 is the best plane just buy some. I just don't know if we can afford them and honestly wish we would develop a fighter in Canada.

Eventually they shouldn't suck. Build them in Quebec. If their economy improves that helps Canada a little in my opinion. I'd like to see every provence get a system, how's that for crazy socialism/nationalism thought?

It's like your mom making you pants. Yeah the first pair are going to be an embarrasment but if she makes enough and gets good at it they might be nicer than true religion brand. If she never tries she'll never figure it out. As long as they're functional even if she has to buy the denim it's less expensive than buying Levi's.

No need to apologize and you are correct it's already a regional employment program and even your analogy is a good one.

I was just making the point from Pants to Trucks to Aircraft to Ships are all regional employment programs and always has been IMO.

Tom