If you live in the eastern half of the continent,
you have been bombarded by all the bad news
about Hurricane Sandy.
It's moved onshore, and is now moving north:
which is a good thing. As soon as it gets to
Ontario, we'll suck the life blood out of it and
when it leaves, it will be a shadow of it's former
self. We're good at that here.
Wikipedia is saying it's the largest Atlantic tropical system by diameter on record. The sheer size on satellite is just surreal.
Take a look at some of the photos coming in from the eastern seaboard. Cannot fathom what the cleanup costs are going to be.
Quick political shot: I'm sure Romney will "accidentally" speak in the very near future about how it's God's will and that Obama just hasn't done enough.
One has to give these men and women credit. USCG rescuing the crew of an abandoned vessel.Talk about good hands and feet?
One has to give these men and women credit. USCG rescuing the crew of an abandoned vessel.Talk about good hands and feet?
Indeed! Noting but respect for SAR people from me..
in thisn case, though - rescuing fools from their own stupidity. They've been talking about this storm for the better part of a week now, and yet the decision was made to set off to try and beat it by getting around to Florida? I'm not qualified to captain a sailing ship, but it seems like a pretty marginal decision to me..
One has to give these men and women credit. USCG rescuing the crew of an abandoned vessel.Talk about good hands and feet?
Indeed! Noting but respect for SAR people from me..
in thisn case, though - rescuing fools from their own stupidity. They've been talking about this storm for the better part of a week now, and yet the decision was made to set off to try and beat it by getting around to Florida? I'm not qualified to captain a sailing ship, but it seems like a pretty marginal decision to me..
Harsh words for some experienced sailors. The captain was hailed a hero for sailing his ship while Hurricane Hugo came ashore a few years back and saving the boat from being ravaged while in port. You can bet that figured into decision making, even if after the fact we see it to be flawed.
One has to give these men and women credit. USCG rescuing the crew of an abandoned vessel.Talk about good hands and feet?
Indeed! Noting but respect for SAR people from me..
in thisn case, though - rescuing fools from their own stupidity. They've been talking about this storm for the better part of a week now, and yet the decision was made to set off to try and beat it by getting around to Florida? I'm not qualified to captain a sailing ship, but it seems like a pretty marginal decision to me..
They thought they could get around it and it would do them less damage if they were out to sea, which is why you'll see many large vessels push off into bad weather. Unforutnately from what I have read their propulsion failed once they were too far out to be helped and after that the situation was untenable.
Wasn't too big a deal yesterday. Had a standby ticket to Toronto. Some airlines panicked and cancelled flights including mine. Others continued as per normal. Fortunately I checked the on time status early enough to reschedule to the early afternoon flight(as all empty seats on later flights probably filled up) and after a long wait in YYZ, caught my overseas flight with some tubulence on the late night departure at the storms peak and apparently a windshear report from a previous flight but no big deal in the end. Those big engines sure bounce around a lot on the wing when in turbulence. I wonder if the new composite material is as flexible.
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Gravol wrote:Wikipedia is saying it's the largest Atlantic tropical system by diameter on record. The sheer size on satellite is just surreal.
Take a look at some of the photos coming in from the eastern seaboard. Cannot fathom what the cleanup costs are going to be.
Quick political shot: I'm sure Romney will "accidentally" speak in the very near future about how it's God's will and that Obama just hasn't done enough.
One has to give these men and women credit. USCG rescuing the crew of an abandoned vessel.Talk about good hands and feet?
I'll only say this once. Your political shot offends me. Leave politics off this blog, and Gods will while you're at it.
“We’re still going to be dealing with on and off shower activity through much of southern Ontario and southern Quebec during the course of the next few days.”
Gravol wrote:
I'll only say this once. Your political shot offends me. Leave politics off this blog, and Gods will while you're at it.
Are you for real?
You focused on the least important of 4 points made so you could demonstrate how tough you are. What the hell do you think this is? XTREME BC mountain flying?
My post praised the USCG and highlighted that this was the largest Atlantic hurricane by diameter on record. For some dry satire I tossed in something about Romney which nobody took seriously, except you.
If we're going to have idiotic political commentary in this
thread, it's only fair to mention the muslims in Toronto who
claim that Hurricane Sandy is:
"a divine slap on the face of arrogance"
This insight was brought to you by the reknown "Institute
of Contemporary Islamic Thought"
I think you may have "highly offended" him as well. What on earth are we going to do? What do you think CS, maybe start an "offended" fund so we can reimburse him. Hell I bet he didn't even sleep last night
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pelmet wrote:Wasn't too big a deal yesterday. Had a standby ticket on WJ to Toronto and they panicked and started cancelling flights. AC continued as per normal. Fortunately I checked the on time status early enough to reschedule to the early afternoon flight(as all empty seats on later flights probably filled up) and after a long wait in YYZ, caught my overseas flight with some tubulence on the late night departure at the storms peak and apparently a windshear report from a previous flight but no big deal in the end. Those big engines sure bounce around a lot on the wing when in turbulence. I wonder if the new composite material is as flexible.
Found a link which is almost the exact sound of what I heard last night. The sound seems to start at 2:40 seconds when climb thrust is set and is as loud as when you have high volume set. Glad it didn't last for the whole flight. Our pilot said they used full TO thrust.
Sorry about the thread drift, but to address North Shore's earlier comment, the Bounty's master was a very experienced seaman. Ships will often stand offshore in bad weather, and in this case I imagine Bounty was running before the wind to get south of the hurricane. Ships at sea can withstand some extremely bad weather, while ships in port are often destroyed. Someone made this point earlier but it bears repeating. What I heard on the news is that the ship lost its pumps. A wooden ship "works" in bad weather and takes on water no matter what you do. Losing propulsion wouldn't be the worst thing that happened to a sailing ship, especially before the wind she could probably make several knots with just bare masts, but losing the pumps would be a disaster. It seems like he made a stupid decision, but in reality he took a very educated risk to save a priceless ship and was let down by his equipment. I'm not sure what the wind was doing when she was lost, so I might be wrong about the propulsion thing, but my point stands. If he was trying to work to weather, so much the worse.
I'm sure as aircrew we can relate to the perils of our cousins on ships, and spare a moment to sympathize with Bounty's master, and wish him a fair wind and following seas as we do when the weather and treacherous equipment get the better of one of us.
I'll concede, Meaty, that I'm Monday-morning-quarterbacking the decision, and that I don't have any ocean sailing experience to draw upon. And I'm a little harsh with my 'saving fools from stupidity' comment, given the experience required to captain a sailing vessel of that size.
But, despite the reason that you've mentioned for leaving port; setting sail into the face of a strong hurricane - one that had been warned about for several days beforehand - and cutting across its path, seems/ed a little foolhardy to me.
A difficult decison, though, I'm sure - and one that he has paid for with his life.
When suppertime came the old cook came on deck sayin'.
"Fellas, it's too rough t'feed ya."
At seven P.M. a main hatchway caved in; he said,
"Fellas, it's bin good t'know ya!"
The captain wired in he had water comin' in
and the good ship and crew was in peril.
North Shore wrote:I'll concede, Meaty, that I'm Monday-morning-quarterbacking the decision, and that I don't have any ocean sailing experience to draw upon. And I'm a little harsh with my 'saving fools from stupidity' comment, given the experience required to captain a sailing vessel of that size.
But, despite the reason that you've mentioned for leaving port; setting sail into the face of a strong hurricane - one that had been warned about for several days beforehand - and cutting across its path, seems/ed a little foolhardy to me.
A difficult decison, though, I'm sure - and one that he has paid for with his life.
When suppertime came the old cook came on deck sayin'.
"Fellas, it's too rough t'feed ya."
At seven P.M. a main hatchway caved in; he said,
"Fellas, it's bin good t'know ya!"
The captain wired in he had water comin' in
and the good ship and crew was in peril.
I'm gonna have to side with meat on this one. SOP for a hurricane is to get the hell out of Dodge if you can because the real danger is in the shallow waters of a harbour where the waves can do some spectacular damage. I suspect you'll find for instance, that not a single US Navy vessel capable of steaming was in port during the storm. I agree it was a difficult decision but in my opinion it was the right one. As you said, unfortunately he paid with his life and a historic reconstruction of a famous vessel is now on the bottom of the ocean but sometimes even the best decisions go horribly wrong.
