Perimeter Aviation

[callsign15]

Anybody hear of any movement at perimeter lately, I was hired couple months ago into the employment pool for Thompson and still waiting for my call out there. starting to get restless.

Any help would be awesome!

[CPLMike89]

Give HR a call, why not get it straight from the horses mouth?

[CLguy]

The only movement seems to be from the ramp to the training department and back to the ramp. Heard the training department is in need of a major shake up. Apparently the head of the training seems to feel his role is to wash out new trainees rather than focusing on training and teaching them to fly the aircraft.

[fish4life]

from what I've heard is that people just aren't coming ready they seem to think it is there right to get a spot flying a metro and aren't prepared. It used to be that guys knew how to draw out aircraft systems and now guys don't even know basic questions it is there own fault they wash out

[CLguy]

Well from what I have heard is he is spending too much time outside of realty. He needs to get off the video games for a while and reconnect with life. You can't expect a young aviator with only a few hundred hours, who has been working the ramp and not touched the controls of anything for more than a year to jump in a sim and fly away. Like I said the training department is there to teach not fuel the ego of an instructor.

[Jack In The Box]

What fish4life said. I have never had a negative experience with said individual-I've only found him to be fair and even helpful.

It seems others feel differently-but that's my story. Take everything with a grain of salt.

[petey]

I have to disagree with you a bit CLguy. A training department past the flight school level is to train a pilot on the aircraft, not teach a pilot how to fly. If the candidate is coming in unprepared he is costing the company extra money and that being said, it is in the companies best interest to let them go. I we want to be treated like professionals we need to prepare like professionals. For arguments sake, a football coach doesn't teach the player how to run, and if the player shows up on game day without knowing the play book they're sitting on the bench.

[CLguy]

Petey I agree with you to a point. We have to remember though that taking a rampie to the sim is like a player showing up for their first day of high school try outs not the CFL. First they need to be taught that there is a play book and what it means.

[Colonel Sanders]

It used to be that guys knew how to draw out aircraft systems

Still is, some places.

I did a C421B checkout yesterday with a nice young fellow.
Told him to get a manual from Essco and read it. When he
showed up, I passed him a clipboard and asked him to draw
the fuel system

[iflyforpie]

It used to be that guys knew how to draw out aircraft systems

Still is, some places.

I did a C421B checkout yesterday with a nice young fellow.
Told him to get a manual from Essco and read it. When he
showed up, I passed him a clipboard and asked him to draw
the fuel system

The 737 has a less complicated fuel system than the 421 has...

[Colonel Sanders]

I know - that's why everyone that I check out on it
has to draw it from memory on a blank piece of paper.

Anything less than that doesn't cut it, because the
fuel system is so incredibly important, the details of
it must be committed to memory.

For example, what happens when you line up for
takeoff, if you accidentally switch the boost pumps
to high instead of low?

Pilots need to learn to prioritize. They must learn to
triage information as follows:

1) need to know
2) nice to know
3) who gives a sh1t

Unfortunately, the airframe and engine and prop
manufacturers, as well as NavCan and TC love to
bury the "need to know" stuff as deeply as possible
below incredible layers of useless cruft.

For example, when I teach IFR, during an approach
briefing, I tell students that the most important information
on a TC approach plate will always be printed in the
smallest font, so read it first.

This is just a little practical joke that regulators like
to play on pilots, to try to kill them.

[petey]

To counter your argument CLguy, and I enjoy our analogy during Grey Cup weekend. It can't be compared to high school try outs - the pilot has already been drafted by the company. I suppose the problem may be companies hiring people on their ability to be equipment managers rather than players, and trying to put them in the game after the two minute warning.

[GravelOpsRock]

callsign - I'd personally go bother the 704 chief pilot, the 705 chief pilot, the assistant chief pilot, ops manager, assistant ops manager, and HR, and ask.. no wait DEMAND that you get your spot before the other people that have been there for 1.5 years already who arent flying yet... Im sure that will score you lots of points.... wait your turn like everyone else has... you knew when you signed up for a non flying position it wasn't going to be 3 months to flightline...

[Edo]

What does that even mean, employment pool? The last post makes it sound like you are on call for a ramp job WTF?
How much does the employment pool pay?

[GravelOpsRock]

You get hired for ramp/ops/cargo positions initially.. you are NOT hired as a pilot... they know you are a wannabe pilot, but thats not what you are hired as... after X amount of months, you are allowed to submit your application for flightline positions... this is the "pool" the other guy is referring to... in the meantime after your initial probation period is over you are welcome to the metro training material.. this is your cue to START STUDYING NOW.... I repeat START STUDYING NOW.... I will say it again... START STUDYING NOW....

[cdnpilot77]

this is the "pool" the other guy is referring to...

That's not how I took it at all. They are interviewing and if successful, offering "future spots" in those ground based positions. I personally know of at least 3 people that waited 2-3 months for the call from interview and subsequent entry into the "ground position pool" and the call for their start date.

[GravelOpsRock]

My understanding is you are interviewed for the position you are initially applying for... so if you are interviewing for a check in spot... you are asked relevant questions relating to that position... the company is aware you are a wannabe pilot, but you are not being interviewed based on that... that comes at a later date... once the new hire has been at the company for X # of months, they can apply for the flightline positions and they go into the queue based on their hire date (ie the Pool of wannabe pilots) Then comes practice sim, sim eval, HR interview with the CP or ACP....

[cdnpilot77]

I think we are agreed on that point GOR. There was a question raised a few posts above by Edo about a waiting pool for the ground based positions, and that was what I referenced. Sorry for the confusion

[lostaviator]

being hired to the ramp/whatever has nothing to do with becoming a pilot at Perimeter. Totally different process. You earn you flying spot. There are guys who start reading the material their first month on the ramp and kick ass when they get to training. If there are guys like that, why waste time on someone who doesn't care?

Suck it up.

As per movement. It is fast, yet slow at the same time. They are adding more 705 machines, the 3's do most of the work (both of which are ATPL required types) and on top of that, some of the older 2's that people have used as a stepping stone to get their A's, are being retired and or are not being used as much. So to sum it up. If you have your IATRA or ATPL, you are set. No ATPL, no IATRA= longer wait for FO spot and captain spot

[Gator.]

Hi all.
I'm on the ground in YTH right now. I figured this thread would be a good place to start my avcanada posting.

Yeah, I was in the same position for having to wait for a start date. Had my interview in the spring, was told I was successful a week later and that I'd be in the hiring pool for the ramp. I then ended up waiting two months before getting called. The managers seem to be interviewing groups 8-10 or so and then calling them up to work over the following months whenever a guy leaves for flight line.

Feel free to PM

[fish4life]

Ramp pay ywg average $15/hr, Thompson is more

[ninz]

Take a few bucks off that and you'll get the YWG ramp and cargo starting wage.

[TR]

something to share on the topic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... IoKVpvPvk8

[callsign15]

callsign - I'd personally go bother the 704 chief pilot, the 705 chief pilot, the assistant chief pilot, ops manager, assistant ops manager, and HR, and ask.. no wait DEMAND that you get your spot before the other people that have been there for 1.5 years already who arent flying yet... Im sure that will score you lots of points.... wait your turn like everyone else has... you knew when you signed up for a non flying position it wasn't going to be 3 months to flightline...

WTH does that mean, i simply asked a question about movement, i just got hired, i'll do my time. you worry about yourself.

[callsign15]

About 1.5 weeks after i posted this, I got my call to start up there. As far as the hiring process, you are called for an interview, then told if you are successful and then wait 2-3 months for a start date,also know as waiting in the hiring pool. Once you are hired, your name goes onto company pilot list by hire date and when your name comes up for simEval you either pass or fail.
After three months(probation) you can get all the stuff required to study for Sim evaluation and etc. Like someone said before 3's need an IATRA so it def helps.