CMA & the Do-328

eep...2 Green · Post by **eep...2 Green** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:21 am

does a pt6 have a choke?

bizjet_mania · Post by **bizjet_mania** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:50 am

I don't think snagging and fixing is something to be concerned about, I think its when no one is snagging or fixing anything is when there should be concern.

circlingfor69 · Post by **circlingfor69** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 12:34 pm

hey Flyboeing,

I'm not sure where you're getting your information from but at this point there is absolutely NO proof what so ever that the pilot is too blame here. If you don't know that facts then shut your face dumbass!!!

flyboeing · Post by **flyboeing** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:40 pm

hhhmmm.....lets see; pilot brings plane to the hangar, parks it walks away (his day is done....aaaa!!) no one touches plane....it stays exactly where it was....and no it wasn't brought it to the hangar for maintance or moved or anything......next crew comes in to find the plane had rolled down the hill and into the 328??? upon further inspection the parking brake wasn't set.....hhhmmmm..........your a dumbass if you can't figure out who to blame

matrix · Post by **matrix** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 10:32 pm

flyboeing,

I think your source needs to check their facts.

flyboeing · Post by **flyboeing** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:17 pm

ok lets hear your take on the story??

matrix · Post by **matrix** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:34 pm

The parking brake was set.

flyboeing · Post by **flyboeing** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:46 pm

haha.....perhaps you should read the memo ol' L.C. put out, stating when the a/c was found the parking brake was in the released/off position.

Wrench MD · Post by **Wrench MD** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:56 pm

Wheather the brake was set or not, or it was set and popped off, in all cases, the chalks should be used at all times. Ive seen more than once that style of parking brake handle and cable pop off and release the brakes, lots of time due to the assy. just getting worn out. In the end chalks good , airplane damage bad

sprucemonkey · Post by **sprucemonkey** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 8:09 pm

Sorry flyboeing, but our SOP's are to chock both mains then release the park brake. It is second nature now. Who sets the park brake for the weekend and walks away from an aircraft??? You obviously seem to think that is ok.

Ever heard of hydr. accum's losing psr over time = park brake useless = aircraft rolling away into a dornier.

One of the types I fly loses psr in about three hours. I guess we'd have to run back to work and recharge the accumulator eh.

Besides, I heard that some groomers were in there making airplane noises late at night......

These chocks are worth 250,000 to CMA right now. Thats NOT on ebay.

matrix · Post by **matrix** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 8:24 pm

haha.....perhaps you should read the memo ol' L.C. put out, stating when the a/c was found the parking brake was in the released/off position.

I dont care to comment about internal company memos on this forum, but I think you need to re-read that memo from the beginning.

swede · Post by **swede** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 8:56 pm

And the moral of the story is; airplanes should not be left unattended without chocks in place. This was not company policy for cma prior to this incident, therefore, flyboeing - THE PILOT(S) WHO PARKED IT ARE NOT TO BLAME, notwithstanding that mgmt. may be looking for someone to hang.
ps. maybe flyboeing was in the front making little brrrm brrm noises and knocked the brake off...

truedude · Post by **truedude** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:19 am

Sprucemonkey, you know you’re absolutely right… it was the groomer, nope never mind it must be Air Canada they hate the dornier… nope it must be the one armed man… because it can’t possibly be the pilots fault, cause as we all know pilots never make mistakes….

sprucemonkey · Post by **sprucemonkey** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:01 am

Who's the one armed bandit?
You're right, pilots never screw up.

short bus · Post by **short bus** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:21 am

swede - what???

I don't know, maybe you're kidding, but you're saying that just because the company policy is what it is, that the pilots aren't to blame? what happened to common sense here?

F/O - "Captain, would you like me to chock the mains?"
Capt - "Nope, that's not necessary, it's not in our SOP's"
F/O - "But sir, the plane is rolling off towards the fuel pumps"
Capt - "that's ok son, it's not our responsibility, let's go get some chow"

Please correct me if I interpreted you wrong.

swede · Post by **swede** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:57 am

what I am saying is, there was no hard and fast company policy in place to chock airplanes when parked. Obviously it is good airmanship and common sense to put in wheel chocks. Most of the time, in cma world, that is done either by maintenance or ground crews. Most of the time, there were NO wheel chocks readily available to the flight crew. If a policy is going to be implemented, it has to be done 100% of the time, that is why, following this incident, chocks have been put in all cma aircraft, to be used by whoever parks the aircraft. That is a new policy, kind of like closing the barn door after the horse gets out now isn't it?

ZLIN 142C · Post by **ZLIN 142C** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:13 pm

Perhaps, but if you had been leaving the barn door open up for months or years and the horse had stayed put all that time (I never knew one that would ground tie that well) why would you see a need to close it?

I don't know what SOPs are in Calgary, but when I worked at YQL the responsibility of chocking the aircraft on the ramp was clearly defined - it was mine, not the pilots'. The chocks went on the nosegear the moment the aircraft stopped moving. Before grooming, a second set went on the mains. The wind blows hard in Lethbridge, all night occasionally - I always double checked that detail before I went home.

We can sit here and argue blame all night long, but in the end assigning blame accomplishes nothing. The important thing here is to prevent a repeat of this incident, and hopefully this new rule will accomplish that.

flyboeing · Post by **flyboeing** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:05 pm

The 1900 was at the hangar......no one was at the hangar so there was no one that could have done it for him.... so it IS the pilot responsiblity to secure his plane before leaving.....control locks in, parking brake on, chocks, prop ties, engine plugs, and all doors closed.....The fault is purely on the pilot for not completing his job.

swede · Post by **swede** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 9:41 am

flyboeing wrote:The 1900 was at the hangar......no one was at the hangar so there was no one that could have done it for him.... so it IS the pilot responsiblity to secure his plane before leaving.....control locks in, parking brake on, chocks, prop ties, engine plugs, and all doors closed.....The fault is purely on the pilot for not completing his job.

I don't know where this guy gets his info from but he has it all wrong. The 1900 was NOT at the hangar, it was at the parking area (adjacent to taxi way L I believe). At any rate, when the aircraft was seen the night before the incident it was properly secured with chocks in - as the pilot had left it! Then next day, crew came out and found it with the door opened and brakes off after it had rolled down an incline into the 328. At this point it appears some rampy was in there screwing around or it was outright sabotaged! Don't blame pilots for someone elses negligence (or worse).

flyboeing · Post by **flyboeing** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:31 pm

...I hate to break it to you but YOU are WRONG and I think smithereens (a CMA employee) can back me up here.......heres what you got wrond= 1-the 1900 was outside the hangar 2- the aircraft was brought to hangar in the morning by its pilots (there days was done) the aircraft sat at the hangar for a few hours before the new crew came in to grab the aircraft. 3- there was NEVER chocks in place 4- the parking brake was found in the down/relesed postion. 5- CMA doesn't have rampys hanging out around the parking area (adjacent to taxi way L I believe)??????

they are at the airport only!! Now these are the facts so F-off....Smithereens will hopefully reply and second this....

swede · Post by **swede** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:27 pm

Flyboing - Yeah, smithereens will back you up - you hope, you are incorrect on all counts - I have my information from the source, the aircraft was tampered with and the pilots had nothing to do with the incident. Shut up if you have nothing of relevance to say, stop with the pms as well, I am not interested in your mindless drivel. You can track down the pilot who parked it and tell him that he's a liar, I am not interested in hearing anything more from you on the subject.

flyboeing · Post by **flyboeing** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:34 pm

swede-I think you need to shup up and listen to my story on what happened....these are the FACTS!!! don't be a typical pilot and go around spreading lies and rumors. what i have previously stated is the truth....there has been no mention of tampering at CMA nor will there ever be.....simply put the pilot forgot to apply the brake or the brake failed and the pilot forgot chock...........get your source straight before sh!tting stuff out on this forum

swede · Post by **swede** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:43 pm

[quote="there has been no mention of tampering at CMA nor will there ever be.....simply put the pilot forgot to apply the brake or the brake failed and the pilot forgot chock...........get your source straight before sh!tting stuff out on this forum

[/quote]

Right, now your a sooth sayer and you can see the future, get a life, you prove otherwise to what I have said and tell the pilot he's a liar.

matrix · Post by **matrix** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:58 pm

There is no evidence that the captain did not put the parking brake on, and there is evidence that backs up Swede's argument. Chocks were not used, now they are in every aircraft.

Just let it go already.

wrenchturner · Post by **wrenchturner** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 4:35 pm

Why don't you 2 quit pissing around. Unless 1 of you is the one responsible, I bet neither of you knows the whole story. My 2 cents.