Hypocritical Pilots???? Say it ain't so....

[trey kule]

I am having a bit of trouble with some of the reasoning here.....Guy making big money at AC leaves , for whatever reason, to take a lower paying job with another company...So far I think I got it right.

Now, it seems to me, if someone at the top end of AC leaves, everyone moves up a notch. Unless I am all turned around on this I can not , for the life of me see why any of the young folks are complaining about senior pilots taking the low paying jobs and leaving them the high paying spots..

Which makes me think that the real issue here is that a bunch of the young folks want those SKC jobs and so some want the high paying jobs left opern at AC, and others want a job where they think they have a shot with no experience.. If the salary is a problem, dont apply.. If they cant find enough pilots they will have to pay more..I am willing to bet that many of the young pilots being so critical here will be sending in resumes....

Absolutely amazes me that someone would suggest it is the senior pilots who are greedly, unethical, or whatever other adjectives were used to describe them.

As far as pay goes, two things have changed..First the unions did a heck of a good job for many years..So good in fact that companies cannot afford to pay what was being demanded..And secondly, technology has changed the requirements.. Pilots just dont need the same basic flying skills they used to need (not talking stick and rudder) and, quite frankly, with the current surplus they are not worth that much to a company anymore.. Now as to different pension levels , flat pay...who exactly accepted those conditions..Not the senior guys. Makes me think it was the same pilots who paid for PPCs, collect EI and flew for nothing, or flew junk for sleazebags......

It is really beyond my understanding why there is so much anymosity towards a guy who was in the military for 20 years, another 20 at AC, and still wants to fly..Looks like his career worked out well for him, and I respect what Rockie has to say about what he is bringing to the new company..How manyof you complaining have that solid a background.

I have never, never witnessed entitlement like I read in this thread.

As far as the salary.. Well it seems that 70k is the new 200k...And that could just as easily be the result of all the young'ins who were willing to fly for experience. The days of 200k and generous pension plans are going to become history in Canada..it is what it is...The aviation industry in Canada is past the glory days.. You want big bucks..Go overseas.

[duranium]

Cannot agree more with your latest post. The key words in it are '' I have never, never witnessed entitlement like I read in this thread ''. Bullseye

Duranium

[Mig29]

Now, it seems to me, if someone at the top end of AC leaves, everyone moves up a notch. Unless I am all turned around on this I can not , for the life of me see why any of the young folks are complaining about senior pilots taking the low paying jobs and leaving them the high paying spots..

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Absolutely amazes me that someone would suggest it is the senior pilots who are greedly, unethical, or whatever other adjectives were used to describe them

I hope you got all the gifts from your list by now, since it's the 24th and you are still going at it on this topic

I'm not going to argue about all you wrote. I've just chosen the above pieces, because I'm sure you are aiming at my previous post. The guy who you say has worked in military for 20 and then AC for another 20 should be able to find a much better gig than Sky. But that is a personal opinion. My issue is that these retired AC guys are personally supporting the erosion of jobs of their former colleagues. They are actively helping Sky to rise and grow on the future expense of their former airline friends. Not to mention they are supporting the lowering of the bar. When I say 'they' I don't necessarily think these individuals are evil spirited people or that they are even aware of their actions (since time will only tell how bad Sky will be for ALL of us). I just think that they could have chosen any another outfit but Sky, since it directly affects AC pilots, who will at the same time contribute and fund those guy's pension while they fly at Sky. Am I not right?

We can argue all day long if pilots as professionals are worth as much and if the technology has eliminated many of our skills or not. If AC can pay some little floor manager who came from Tim Hortons 70k or if a ramp guy or a sales personnel can almost make that, then why shouldn't a captain on a 75 seater jet make more?!!

I won't dwell in that direction with you, since that's not a topic of this forum.

Anyhow, it is Christmas season and I don't mean to fight with you since you and I individually won't change a thing. We all collectively have to take a good look in which direction are we headed and hopefully with the help of our unionS and all its members do something about it and reverse the course.

Marry Christmas to you all and I hope that 2013 will bring positive things for us all

[Lateralus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENXvZ9YRjbo

[vic777]

My proposal is this. Our union (association, whatever) tells the company that we wont train these guys or work with these guys. Tell our union members involved in the hiring and training of new pilots that we wont train these guys. You do this and this problem will quickly go away. Pilots wont want to work there, they cant get crews, pay goes up. problem solved.

Then the Company says, "Management Pilots will train the Pilots", problem re-solved.