Air Georgian Hiring Pool

[rifle]

Year ....sorry

[Duke15]

The pay isnt great...wouldnt even say good, but for a right seat 1900 position its about industry standard maybe even a little better. In addition it puts you in a great position for AC and WJ and all the regionals. Considering that its most likely one of the best 1900 positions. Theres not much money at the beginning in aviation but seems like a good way to get to the majors and its in larger cities. It would be great if they paid more but thats not aviation lol

[Mig29]

Theres not much money at the beginning in aviation but seems like a good way to get to the majors and its in larger cities.

Not picking at you man, it's just fun and sad at the same time, because even when you seem to get 'somewhere', you get a slap in the face with the new salary experience. Sky Regional and Encore come to mind with their year 1 F/O and Capt payscales

[BverLuver]

Mig29,

I didn't realise you had your psychic hat on today. To my knowledge Encore has not yet released their pay scale, unless you are THE ONLY special and connected person outside the boardroom who is privy to it? I think not. Premature to be lumping them unfairly with Sky Regional isn't it?

BL

Ps. As DaveP has said numerous times, the 80% sac ales so far is just rumour started by guys like you!

[Duke15]

Theres not much money at the beginning in aviation but seems like a good way to get to the majors and its in larger cities.

Not picking at you man, it's just fun and sad at the same time, because even when you seem to get 'somewhere', you get a slap in the face with the new salary experience. Sky Regional and Encore come to mind with their year 1 F/O and Capt payscales

I feel the same way man. Its ridiculous what companies are paying new pilots at their company. Even Air Canada and west jet, most guys take pay cuts to go work for them, thats non-sense. What other career so you get a promotion which involves taking a pay cut? Wish I knew what to do about it but unfortunately most of us are trying to get ahead in our careers by switching to larger aircraft, and with there being a surplus in pilots companies can afford to offer lower wages. They may get 1 or 2 pilots turn it down but eventually they'll get someone who will take it. The only way to possibly do it would be to regulate the amount of new pilots, only the best of the best can get their commercials or atpls or wtv. Thats how its done in the accounting world and thats why their wages are maintained at such a high figure. Anyways my 2 cents.

[rifle]

Watching guys with 3000+ hours leaving their Capt positions to go work for Georgian is very sad.but I understand the fact that some of them are trying to relocate or looking for something more visible to the AC eyes.. good luck

[Mig29]

I feel the same way man. Its ridiculous what companies are paying new pilots at their company. Even Air Canada and west jet, most guys take pay cuts to go work for them, thats non-sense. What other career so you get a promotion which involves taking a pay cut? Wish I knew what to do about it but unfortunately most of us are trying to get ahead in our careers by switching to larger aircraft, and with there being a surplus in pilots companies can afford to offer lower wages. They may get 1 or 2 pilots turn it down but eventually they'll get someone who will take it. The only way to possibly do it would be to regulate the amount of new pilots, only the best of the best can get their commercials or atpls or wtv. Thats how its done in the accounting world and thats why their wages are maintained at such a high figure. Anyways my 2 cents.

That would be one method for sure, I agree. Catch is that airlines could establish these "mini airline academies" and hire brand new F/Os from aviation colleges/universities and feed the bottom at their will. Yes, you may end up facing the problem with upgrading these F/Os at one point, but it would give them (companies) stability for at least 5-10years...

Mig29,

I didn't realise you had your psychic hat on today. To my knowledge Encore has not yet released their pay scale, unless you are THE ONLY special and connected person outside the boardroom who is privy to it? I think not. Premature to be lumping them unfairly with Sky Regional isn't it?

BL

Ps. As DaveP has said numerous times, the 80% sac ales so far is just rumour started by guys like you!

I actually do have the hat my friend, and if you are nice enough, I can tell you if hurricane Sandy is going to affect your neighborhood or not this week!!

Don't get me wrong man....Sky or Encore or for this matter even Jazz, Porter or AC's new LCC venture all have mediocre entry level pay-scales. Sky has just lowered the bar one step, and don't think Encore will be much better if they are going to stay competitive. And besides, you think WJ mainline has more generous entry level pay then Jazz, Transat or AC maybe?? Give or take 5 grand more or less, they all hurt when someone with experience moves "up" to a bigger gig. And I don't care about their WJ stock or profit sharing....they don't count in my mind. (just like per diems are not a fair reflection of someones pay check).

So why would Encore then be so much great? They obviously won't pay left or right seat anywhere close to mainline pay, and right there we are back at the industry "standard" miserable pay levels.

Anyhow, you still want that Sandy's forecast??

[Cisbour]

Hey need some insight on the travel pass stuff guys and gals! For me it's a no-go if it's not allowing me to go back home where I live! How does this work? Basically I would need to do 2 legs with Jazz-AIr can to get back home. Are you on a standby list and you get on after all the sky reg, air can and jazz guys? I'm not talking about commuting, just about getting out of probably YYZ once a month or twice if very very lucky. Any georgian pilot info would be greatly appreciated ! Interviewing in 2 weeks though! Cheers!

[Regs587]

Hey Cisbour you have an interview with ggn? What kind of time do you have if i may ask?

[flying4dollars]

Hey need some insight on the travel pass stuff guys and gals! For me it's a no-go if it's not allowing me to go back home where I live! How does this work? Basically I would need to do 2 legs with Jazz-AIr can to get back home. Are you on a standby list and you get on after all the sky reg, air can and jazz guys? I'm not talking about commuting, just about getting out of probably YYZ once a month or twice if very very lucky. Any georgian pilot info would be greatly appreciated ! Interviewing in 2 weeks though! Cheers!

Air Canada employees travel on C2 priority. Jazz, Georgian, Sky Regional, EVAS etc travel on C4. Its all based on your seniority. If you're more senior than a Jazz guy and you're both fighting for the same seat, you will get it.

[Regs587]

Anyone hear anything on interviews or groundschool sessions coming up?

[omega]

Happy new year everyone.

Is it true all new hires are based in Yyc and Yhz first?
Anyone know how long it would take on average to get back to Yyz?

Thanks everyone.

[avi8er]

Any body have idea if they are hiring direct entry capatins for 1900s?
Or, what is the upgrade time for the new F/Os?

[CS01]

Ground schools will be held all year long. Expecting 60 new hires in 2013. Direct entry captains and FOs. Upgrade happens once you have 2700tt and 500 on type. New hires will be placed wherever they're needed. Most likely YYC. Time to get back to YYZ is based on attrition and new hires. With the amount of movement happening this year, I'd expect roughly a 3 month wait for FOs to bid YYZ.

[aerie]

Any body have idea if they are hiring direct entry capatins for 1900s?
Or, what is the upgrade time for the new F/Os?

Direct Entry Captains (Air Georgian Limited)

This was posted in December, looks like the cut-off date is the end of January. Upgrade time is mentioned in this thread already, 2700TT, 500 on type.

[avi8er]

Thanks for the input....CS01 & aerie

The minimum hours mentioned in the ad does not say anything about 500 on type for direct entry. Any idea, if this (500 type) hours are required for the direct entry captains of not ?

[flying4dollars]

You don't need 500 on type to go direct entry captain, but it is an asset. Guys have been hired with similar type time, ie. King Air 100/200/350, Metro and even Cheyenne. New hires will be based in either Halifax or Calgary. Toronto is a senior base at this company as the majority of pilots are Ontarians. The bottom half of the Calgary base are all from out East and have bids in to go back to YYZ. So as each course finishes training, they get sent to YYC or YHZ while the guys waiting to get back, get back. Ideally, if you are from out West, you'll get a YYC base without much problem and it'll benefit the company and the guys who want to go back East.

[MorePower!]

Anyone have any new information on Interview/ground school dates for February/march?

And any one have any ideas what my chances are like?

1500TT, 1300PIC
Calgary AB - not that it matters too much

[jpilot77]

Is Troy Stephans still the CP?

[MorePower!]

Is Troy Stephans still the CP?

Yes I believe so.

[Duke15]

He is the systems CP now, the 1900 CP is Tim Crits. As of right now I dont believe there will be a march groundschool and the February one has already started. 1500hrs is still the min, so as long as you have that your chances are pretty good seeing as we will probably be doing a lot of hiring with the amount of attrition going on.

[jpilot77]

What is a Systems CP?

[ggn]

The system Chief Pilot manages the type and/or base CP's. Troy is now flying one of the Corp Jets so the B1900 is beeing directly managed by an Assistant but we no longer have a Charter Chief Pilot. Minor change due to Troy being more involved in the corp jet side.

[SAA340-600]

Do you have to make it down to the interview on your own coin or do they subsidize your travel...im guessing the latter??

[Flips]

Anyone know how many they are planning on hiring for May? Or what the average ground school size is.

Thanks