Pacific Coastal Beech 1900C off runway Blue River BC

[bizjets101]

CADORS 2013P0163 Feb 9 2013

At 1943Z, YKA FIC received notice from CYCP weather observer reporting a Pacific Coastal Airlines Beech 1900 (C-FPCO/ operating as PCO199) on a IFR flight from Vancouver (CYVR) to Blue River (CYCP) slid off runway; pilot confirmed the slide, that the aircraft was immobile, and that there were no apparent injuries. JRCC, ACC, Unit Manager, RCMP notified. A/D operator contacted and runway closed.

UPDATE TSB A13P0014: A Pacific Coastal Beech 1900 C, serial number UB-52, registration C-FPCO was on an IFR flight from Vancouver to Blue River. The IFR clearance was cancelled at 9000 feet ASL, above the airport and a VFR approach to runway 19 was carried out. After the aircraft touched down on the 60 foot wide runway, directional control was lost. The aircraft skidded sideways and departed the runway to the left and collided nose first with a large snow bank. The nose wheel collapsed, both propellers were damaged and there is possible damage to the right hand main gear. The CVR will be sent to the TSB Lab for data download. There were no injuries.

[Diadem]

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 18&t=80337 Almost an exact replica of an accident from 11 months ago, but with a Northern Thunderbird BE02.

[pelmet]

Pics here...

http://aviation-safety.net/photos/displ ... r=4&kind=C

http://aviation-safety.net/photos/displ ... r=3&kind=C

[Siddley Hawker]

Was a cell phone involved....

[justwork]

Bummer

[Chuck Ellsworth]

Was a cell phone involved....

Possibly.

That woud be the easiest way to let the company know what happened.

[Indanao]

So.......that would be after, and not before, the impact? Duh....

[Chuck Ellsworth]

So.......that would be after, and not before, the impact? Duh....

Brilliant deduction.

Now all we need do is jump to the conclusion that cell phones do have a useful place in day to day flying operations.

See how easy it is to get used to logic?

[Indanao]

Question answered by Dr Rudy Tanzi, Harvard Professor of Neuroscience :
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What are your thoughts from a neurological perspective on multi-tasking?

"Your conscious brain cannot multitask. If I’m speaking to you and checking my I-Phone at the same time, I’m doing neither. This is why our society is frazzled; this misconception that we can consciously do more than one thing at a time effectively. Most neuroscientists I’ve spoken with agree on this, you have to parcel out your time. And, there are many techniques to manage stress, meditation is only one. Mindful awareness of your body, your breath, transcending reactivity, imagination and visualization etc."

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Guess they may need a new law...like with cars. We used to see bus drivers driving around with a Cell Phone up to their ear.

[trey kule]

I just got a inside copy of the transcripts of the call to Dispatch.

Dispatch...Hello
Capt....Captain Icie here...We are going to be delayed on the departure as we can not get the plane started..
Dispatch: Why wont the plane start?
Capt..We are discussing that. The FO thinks it is because the intakes are full of snow and dirt. I think it is because the propellers are bent. I have tweeted the details and posted them on facebook.

[Chuck Ellsworth]

During recurrent sim training I do not recall ever being tested on use of a cell phone during the sim sessions.

Maybe the airlines have added the using of these devices in recurrent training since I retired.

[trey kule]

Actually, telephone use in two crew airplanes is approved by some companies during certain phases of flight.. The problem is that many pilots seem to forget which phases they are, and being super mulit-taskers use them all the time for non operational requirements. Its OK Cat,multi tasking is easy for real pilots, and no issue at all to use a phone during high workload situations.
But that is thread drift. I probably should tweet that I feel bad about causing the thread drift.

The reason for this prang up has not been disclosed I dont think and really we do a diservice to our fellow pilots for not allowing them the benefit of the doubt at this point in time that is was something like a gear failure on one side, and not a decision to land downwind on a contaminated runway.
When the details come out , if it is pilot error we can all rejoice at their stupidity and, by comparison, our own superior piloting skills.

I dont recall any mention of cell phone usage in the CADORS..Did I miss something?

[Chuck Ellsworth]

One of the most important pieces of equipment we carried when flying in poor communication areas around the world was satellite phones they gave us reliable clear communications in very remote areas such as the Sahara Desert and over oceans far from land.

Knowning when not to use them is just common sense.

[trey kule]

Knowning when not to use them is just common sense.

You would think so, but that does not appear to be the case..We had to enact laws for drivers when distracted drivers ended up causing more fatalities and injuries than drunk drivers.. And I expect, that unfortunately, we are going to see some regulations regarding their use in planes, as even with SOPs, training, OPs Specs , there is still a group of pilots out there who think that using a cell phone to talk or text is OK during any phase of flight, and those that disagree should not be flying as they are obviously unable to mulit-task. And we all know how important it is to tweet our every thought as soon as it pops into our head. I know I am not interested in departing until I know what Lindsy Lohan is thinking.

I think that we have caused some thread drift here and need to get back to crucifying this flight crew.

[Chuck Ellsworth]

, there is still a group of pilots out there who think that using a cell phone to talk or text is OK during any phase of flight, and those that disagree should not be flying as they are obviously unable to mulit-task. And we all know how important it is to tweet our every thought as it pops into our head

Yes and every once in a while these uber multi taskers demonstrate how good they are.

Remember that crew in the states that were on their lap tops and not only missed their descent time they over flew their destination at cruise altitude.

Darnwism is alive and well.

[Siddley Hawker]

Gentlemen my comment was made with tongue firmly in cheek, in retrospect I should have used the tongue-in-cheek icon at the end. There is already a thread running on cellphone use in the cockpit, with those who think it is a distraction and should be approached with extreme caution, and those for whom multitasking while taxiing around Kennedy airport is a mere bagatelle.

[trey kule]

No biggie. I for one, recognized it, as an attempt at a humerous post.. But just like a big old pimple on a teen aged girls chin, sometimes these things are sensitive to some., and funny to others. And pilots having accidents while being distracted by things like cell phones are 100% preventable if only we can get pilots to realize they are not uber multi taskers (to steal cat's words) and stop doing it.
Each time they get away with it just convinces them more that it will never happen to them.. And, as the accidents stats show, for some of them the confusion between their skill and luck comes home to them in a very tangible way.

Anyways, there is no indication from the info here that cellphones played any part in this unfortunate accident, so it was entirely thread drift, and for that, I the evangalistic cell phone user hater accept responsabilty.

As I previously posted, I hope the cause here was some type of surprise mechanical malfunction that could not be detected prior to the landing attempt. We will see in time as the facts come out, though I am a bit surprised that none of the usual ambulance chasers have posted the winds, runway conditions etc so we could all speculate.

[Siddley Hawker]

No problem Mr. kule.

As I previously posted, I hope the cause here was some type of surprise mechanical malfunction that could not be detected prior to the landing attempt

As do I. I thought I read in the ASN report the runway is 60 feet wide. There ain't much room either side of the straight and narrow. In the first pic what the guy is standing on is somewhat less than 100% bare and dry. Introduce a surprise mechanical and a whole lot of holes in the cheese are aligned.

[tiguan]

Any idea what happened to the pilots?

[chinglish]

Any idea what happened to the pilots?

I think the pilots lived

[pilotboy99]

At least until they got back to base.

[swordfish]

"60' wide" runway....? A bit wider than a road? How did they plan on turning around?

[crazy_aviator]

Combine low time pilots with less than stellar abilities to land planes in less than ideal conditions and this may be what you get!

[Siddley Hawker]

60' wide" runway....? A bit wider than a road? How did they plan on turning around?

There's probably a turn-arround at either end. We used to go into Bathurst NB with the Gulfstream when it was 4000' x 75'. There was very little margin for error, not somethig you'd attempt with any significant of x-wind.