Air Force Pilots?

scotothedoublet · Post by **scotothedoublet** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:43 pm

Apart from the education and medical requirements I think the time factor keeps alot of the civi pilots from wanting to join military. Who wants to invest 3-5 yrs in the Forces waiting for your wings with the outside chance you may fail a course and the strong possibility of not ending up where you want to be (helo/jet etc...). Obviously a good gig if it works out the way you want.

M4A1 · Post by **M4A1** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:12 pm

Does helo time count for Total Time when applying for a job after you leave the Air Force?

Also, how many people get onto the fixed wing planes (aside from the Hornet)?

CH124 Driver · Post by **CH124 Driver** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:18 pm

under_par_00 wrote:Does helo time count for Total Time when applying for a job after you leave the Air Force?

Also, how many people get onto the fixed wing planes (aside from the Hornet)?

Sure does, hours are hours, though there is a differentiation between fixed wing and rotory wing, that's why there's caveats for ATPL's about how many hours must be fixed wing and how many can be helo. Of course you can't get an ATPL for Aeroplanes if you've only ever flew helos. Otherwise you could get an ATPLH.

5 of 16 went Multi on my course.

gryphon · Post by **gryphon** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:37 pm

Out of 14 on my Moose Jaw course:
3 jets (2 hornets one harvard)
4 multi (one failed multi school, the rest ended up Hercs)
7 helo (2 Sea King, 3 Griffon, 1 Cormorant, one failed helo school)

Also, had several people from other courses 'join' our course because they got too far behind the schedule, and had one of the original course members fail Moose Jaw.
Primary flying training course saw 2 out of nine fail, 2 more failed later.

mcrit · Post by **mcrit** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:13 pm

I taught English in Japan for 18 months 9 years ago. Been waiting for my security clearance to come through for 14 months

That's why I'm not in the CF.

M4A1 · Post by **M4A1** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:23 pm

so seems like half the people go helos, and half go fixed wing.

Would you say that everyone flies equal time? The Hornets and the Hurcs, and the helos all get the same hours?

Hey___Pilot · Post by **Hey___Pilot** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:17 pm

Hello

M4A1 · Post by **M4A1** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:21 pm

Thanks for the info. Lots of things to consider before I decide to join or go a different route. I still have many years to decide.

2R · Post by 2R » Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:27 pm

Why would you want join an airforce that does not have any A-10's
As for the second language thing how do you say " I surrender "in the other official language.
A friend of mine told me that we now have more persons of the rank of General than we had in WW2 ,how for why ?????

scotothedoublet · Post by **scotothedoublet** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:55 pm

2R

The Forces are probably pretty bummed that you're not interested. With your excellent command of the english language you'd probably make quick work of the french course. How for why any company wouldn't want to hire you is beyond me.

2R · Post by 2R » Thu Jun 09, 2005 4:32 pm

Hey scoto "Go boil your head ya muppet"
'How for Why' is an English term that you may not be familiar with as it is not used on seseme street.
Another term used more by Scots scoto is "UP YOUR KILT"
As for quick work of anything French my ancestors did make quick work of them,in many battles,we also rescued them in two big wars in the last century.

scotothedoublet · Post by **scotothedoublet** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:43 pm

Boy is my face red, or as you might say in the UK, "am I ever ugly." Apologize for my colonial command of your language. How for why did I not know what 'how for why' meant? Oh yeah, it's the 21st century and I live in Canada. Put another shrimp on the barbie...

Your mate,

Scoto

JohnnyHotRocks · Post by **JohnnyHotRocks** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 4:43 am

Anyone know anything about the Reserve Heli Squadron in Borden??

Thanks

fougapilot · Post by **fougapilot** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 5:02 am

Anyone here currently in YMJ? If so, could you pls PM me? I have a small favour to ask.

Cheers,

Bandit713

gryphon · Post by **gryphon** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 10:36 am

What do you want to know about the sqn in Borden?

JohnnyHotRocks · Post by **JohnnyHotRocks** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 5:29 pm

Do they train any civilian fixed wing pilots on the heli, or do you need a heli licence?

Thanks,
John

shitdisturber · Post by **shitdisturber** » Sun Jun 12, 2005 9:05 pm

gryphon wrote:Out of 14 on my Moose Jaw course:
3 jets (2 hornets one harvard)
4 multi (one failed multi school, the rest ended up Hercs)
7 helo (2 Sea King, 3 Griffon, 1 Cormorant, one failed helo school)

gryph, the Harvard isn't a jet, it's a turbo prop, just thought I'd mention that. If you're talking in terms of the Hawk on the other hand; now that's a jet, sort of. Not quite on the scale of my beloved Hornets, pretty much the only thing about the military I miss; but close enough for government work.

gryphon · Post by **gryphon** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:37 am

I'm quite aware the Harvard isn't a jet.....especially when you're late on nav.
But, during selection, those who are selected for jets have the potential to stay in MJ to instruct....if they've got what it takes (HA!!!), thus the 'jet' slot.

... · Post by **...** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:58 am

gryphon wrote: ...if they've got what it takes (HA!!!), thus the 'jet' slot.

As the Forces 'Funny Guy', do you get to pick where you do your stand up comedy?

gryphon · Post by **gryphon** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:21 pm

If I could, I'd be right beside you.......just like old times.....hugs.
Have you made up your mind about the little gathering in July?

Herc Driver · Post by **Herc Driver** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:20 pm

Here's my two cents,

I started flying on my own buck, payed for my PPL, did the college thing at Seneca, flew as a Class IV for about 3 months and said enough is enough. I joined the CF, to fly and see the world. I joined in Sept 98, finished Officer training in fall 98, completed french training in spring of 99 and bypassed PFT, started Moose Jaw in Jan 99 and finished fall of 99. I got my wings on the King Air in spring of 2000. I started my Herc OTU in spring of 2001 and upgraded to herc Aircraft Commander in Spring of 2004. In that time I've been all over Europe, the Middle East, Airports big and small in Canada, Hawaii and some of the US. I have 2500 hours total time and just passed 1800 hours on the herc. I've averaged roughly 450 hours a year, and some of that is transit time, but alot is pretty challenging flying on SAR missions and cold scary dark nights in the arctic. I've met alot of good people along the way, worked with some good people, have a few beers along the way and seen some pretty cool places. The pay is good as a 4th incentive Captain I make damn near $ 80000/year, yes the hours are weird and the schedule is always in flux but most days it's not a bad job. It does have it's bad days but any job has that and the times you get to land at 0300 in Alert at the top of Ellsmere Island makes it all worth it. Rember it's all about the people, and what you make of it. Will I get out? maybe, who knows but the CF has given me good options down the road.

M4A1 · Post by **M4A1** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:11 pm

Herc Driver, thanks, your job sound very fun, you get to travel everywhere and fly alot!

How does it work if you go into the Air Force with flying experience? Do you just not train as much as the others, or do most of them already have a PPL?

Also, if you did not go through flight training, who or what decided what you flew?

And what decides where you are based, are there many bases around Canada, do you choose, or someone else?

Thanks.

TheCheez · Post by **TheCheez** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:16 pm

When you join it depends how much flying experience you have and where you got it to bypass the primary flight training course.

I have an aviation diploma so I don't go(even if I want to, they flat out wont send me)

Another guy here had 1200 hours instructor and various twins and he went, but was on the advance course which skips a few basics.

Your skill decides what you fly. They give you the chance to ask what you want but unless you're the top of the class nothing's guaranteed. Top 1 or 2 if they're good enough and the seats are available go fighters, and the rest are split multi engine and helo. Helo is generally the middle of the class but they make sure that some of the top guys go to multi engines as well.

Where you are based is also the military who decides ultimately. You can ask, and if you have a compelling reason your chances will improved, but in the end if they need pilots at X base and your name comes up then you're heading out. Theres only a few choices for each type though. Fighters you'll be in Cold Lake or Bagot, Hercs in Winnipeg/Trenton, Maritime Helo Halifax/Victoria etc etc. Obviously you can't go to Victoria if you're a Hornet pilot.

Hope this helps.

gryphon · Post by **gryphon** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 3:09 am

Don't forget about Greenwood for Hercs as well!!
Also, top one or two generally (but not always) will get their choice...not just jets (insert jet jock bashing from a rotorhead here). Of late, they've been trying to split the courses in thirds and award the slots evenly throughout the thirds....I know plenty of guys flying jets who didn't end up top of the course.

hz2p · Post by **hz2p** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:00 pm

Hey clunkdriver, I don't want to mention any names, but do you remember a guy who used to fly a CF-100 solo out west? A real character.

Air Force Pilots?

joining the airforce.