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During the occurrence landing the student retracted the flaps as the aircraft was slowing down and inadvertently retracted the landing gear at the same time. The aircraft right main landing gear and nose landing gear retracted.

There is no need to retract flaps on the runway. Waiting until clear of the runway reduces the likelihood that an incorrect selection will be made.

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I not only don't believe half the crap you shovel here, but I believe you to be, at best, a low timer with good internet skills.

I thought I might use my internet skills to find some examples of why an instructor might consider operating the flaps and cowl flaps(if installed) for a trainee when doing touch and goes in a retractable gear aircraft. Below are some of the incidents I easily found....




According to the instructor, the purpose of the flight was to prepare the student for dual cross-country flights and to familiarize him with the Piper PA-28R-201. Prior to this flight, the student pilot had been flying a Diamond Alarus, a training type airplane. They flew to a nearby airport, where they made three touch and go landings. On the fourth touch and go landing, the student pilot "assertively retracted the gear without warning" instead of the flaps. The right main and nose landing gear retracted and the airplane veered off the right side of the runway. The right wing struck a taxiway light, spinning the airplane around, and the left side of the fuselage struck a taxiway sign. The right wing was wrinkled and there was a gash from the leading edge back to the spar. The prop blade was bent. The left side of the fuselage was also wrinkled and buckled.
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief ... 5532&key=1

The CFI and private -rated student pilot were conducting touch-and-go landings. After touch down the dual student retracted the flaps and reached for the landing gear instead of the throttles. The CFI yelled 'no', the dual student released the landing gear handle and added full power. The right main landing gear retracted, the airplane yawed to the right and stopped in the grass.
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief ... 1212X20139


On May 1, 2012, a student and an instructor were conducting multi-engine flight training in a Piper PA-30 Twin Comanche at Cranbrook Airport (CYXC), B.C. During a touch‑and‑go the student unintentionally retracted the gear instead of the flaps. The aircraft was already beginning to lift off and the weight-on-wheels switch was ineffective in preventing gear retraction prior to lift-off. The aircraft settled onto the runway causing significant damage to both propellers and the belly of the aircraft. There were no injuries. TSB File A12P0066.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/p ... 5-6469.htm


11/23 1809Z (1109 local): A Be33’s gear collapsed during a touch-and-go at Billings. Montana. Neither aboard the Bonanza was hurt; damage is “unknown”. Weather: “not reported”. N7927R (CJ-20) is a 1969 E33C registered since 2002 to a corporation in Billings, Montana. (“Gear collapse during touch-and-go”—a reader reports this was a Practical Test flight and the CFI candidate pilot inadvertently retracted the landing gear during a touch-and-go directed by the examiner. A news report shows the Bonanza on its nose with partially retracted main landing gear, the hallmark of an inadvertent retraction.
http://www.mastery-flight-training.com/200911191124.pdf

For those who criticize the idea of doing this even for higher time guys...

If you are actually worried about your "high time pilots" retracting the gear instead of the flaps, something is really wrong, and McDonalds is always hiring folks to flip burgers!

Common sense dictates to me that the transition to a light twin is not a big deal, particularly if the pilot is high time as you mentioned. But sometimes it is a big deal to an inexperienced instructor, or at least they think it is. Common sense tells me you can watch the students hands, and if they go anywhere near the gear lever at an an inappropriate time, intervene. You dont teach someone to fly by doing the flying for them, and again, as you mentioned they were already experienced pilots this seems ludicrous.

...I base my ideas on learning from history



BEECH 58
"The instructor stated that he was alert to the possible inadvertent retraction of the landing gear instead of the flaps and was monitoring the “student” pilot’s actions closely. The “student” initially put his hand on the flap selector but had not selected flaps up yet and then quickly moved to the gear lever and selected the gear to the up position before the instructor could prevent him from doing so.
The “student” pilot had a total flying experience of 3100 hours with 290 hours on type."
http://www.caa.co.za/resource%20center/ ... 2/7495.pdf

Here is a a video example in action....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... GxZ8#at=34