Project: Parkland Airport - West of Edmonton

[cyeg66]

- they wouldn't be squalling.

I think the proper term would be "squelching" given the context, and I think you may be hitting closer to the mark than others would have you believe. What makes the world go around, after all...?

[Flybabe]

- they wouldn't be squalling.

I think the proper term would be "squelching" given the context, and I think you may be hitting closer to the mark than others would have you believe. What makes the world go around, after all...?

My bad

[azimuthaviation]

Third world business tactics have no place in Canada.

Ya right, before you try to civilize me to your first world business tactics remember that the PADC introduced themselves by threatening, in broken English, break and enter and sabotage because of their irrational fears about progress they dont understand will disrupt their rustic way of life. That potato farmer took her strategy straight out of the Papua New Guinea handbook to resisting development.

When I say the resistance will drop when they start writing cheques its because Ive seen it 100 times. How many farmers allow oil wells, right of ways, or cell towers to show up on their properties in exchange for a monthly royalty cheque? Something like every single one out there? And it always, always starts with anti-fracking, anti-windmill, cell towers cause cancer, NIMBY etc etc until they reach a "settlement". I guess oil well blow outs arent as much of a fire hazard as wobbly planes when a cheque comes in the mail every month.

[Flybabe]

Actually it is the AAC that is threatening, not PADC.

But carry on

[azimuthaviation]

Yes, the AAC I meant

[Anti-Aunty]

Third world business tactics have no place in Canada.

Ya right, before you try to civilize me to your first world business tactics remember that the PADC introduced themselves by threatening, in broken English, break and enter and sabotage because of their irrational fears about progress they dont understand will disrupt their rustic way of life. That potato farmer took her strategy straight out of the Papua New Guinea handbook to resisting development.

When I say the resistance will drop when they start writing cheques its because Ive seen it 100 times. How many farmers allow oil wells, right of ways, or cell towers to show up on their properties in exchange for a monthly royalty cheque? Something like every single one out there? And it always, always starts with anti-fracking, anti-windmill, cell towers cause cancer, NIMBY etc etc until they reach a "settlement". I guess oil well blow outs arent as much of a fire hazard as wobbly planes when a cheque comes in the mail every month.

I am sure the PDAC group would be open to community investors in the project, put your money to work and the royalty cheques will follow.

[Cod Father]

For those who didn't see Alberta Prime Time on CTV2:
http://www.albertaprimetime.com/Stories.aspx?pd=5713

[rac007]

Wow. That was a really unbiased (read sarcasm) news report.

With all the talk about crops being grown around an airport, it would be interesting to know how many documented cases there are of Transport coming in and telling a farmer he has to change his crop rotation. I would guess almost none.

If they ever succeed in changing the regs so that all unregistered aerodromes are subjected to Transport restrictions, then if John Doe farmer down the road wanted to build a grass strip in his pasture for his Super Cub then he would be forced to jump through all the Transport hoops. That would be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

[Prodriver]

Holy cow after watching that am I ever glad we have a strong Federal government w/ a firm hand on the tiller! They forgot to mention that the PADC met w/ the city when they were looking at the lots south of the town of Spruce Grove and they moved it away as it was not the best location. Must be hard on Paul to watch the power slip out of his hands!

Maybe some low passes are in order to scare the poor residents away, they will then sell there land cheaper and the airport can expand to compete for all the oil sands flights. What a great business model.

[Flybabe]

Article in the Devon Dispatch yesterday as well.

http://www.devondispatch.ca/2013/10/17/ ... work-order

[Tom H]

I've been keeping off this thread trying to focus on positive things in a very negative time but the extent of garbage from the AAC has reached new levels.

The NIMBY garbage makes them look foolish

Makes the region look both anti development and anti aviation

Confirms Calgary region is going to be the Centre of Aviation in Alberta and reap not just the airline benefit but also the manufacturing and other employment and other spin offs.

Undermines developing Villeneuve and all the work done by people trying to be positive through a difficult situation created by others beyond their immediate area.

But they really don't care, it's all about them.

What people like the AAC refuse to recognize is the damage of their reach.

I have really tried to be reasonable through this conversation, suggestioning actions that would educate and allow understanding.

Shame I wasted my time

In my highly biased personal opinion

[Beefitarian]

That is unfortunate Tom. I can't say I am surprised.

As much as I poke fun I have some amount of understanding towards some residents desire to keep their region rural. It appears they have been told some pretty silly exaggerations about the proposal and the potential impact though.

I predict you will continue to be a positive part of whatever becomes the future of Aviation in the region. That's my highly biased opinion today.

[Tom H]

Thanks Beef

I am very disappointed in the direction that AAC has taken.

That said...

I predict you will continue to be a positive part of whatever becomes the future of Aviation in the region. That's my highly biased opinion today.

I guarantee I will be doing my best to do just that as long as my health holds.

[ScreaminBanshee]

The thing that kills me is regarding the crops. There is NO enforcement section in TP1247. It is merely a guideline so that IF airports have issues with birds, they can go out to the surrounding farms and ASK them not to plant those crops and then compensate them monetarily. No one can tell someone what they can and can't grow on their land unless it is illegal. When AAC says that the government will tell them what they can grow, it's a load of BS. They can't even do the most basic level research so how would they foresee the economic spin offs. And if they really thought their section of agricultural land (not residential) was not going to ever be touched by growth even though it is 10 min from the second fastest growing city in the country, they have even bigger issues.

Go look on the Parkland county website. These council members make 45,000 a year and the mayor 65,000 a year. A first year apprentice out of high school in Alberta makes $50,000 so I think I can confidentially say that the people holding those political seats in Parkland are not exactly the top pick of the litter.

[Tom H]

Go look on the Parkland county website. These council members make 45,000 a year and the mayor 65,000 a year. A first year apprentice out of high school in Alberta makes $50,000 so I think I can confidentially say that the people holding those political seats in Parkland are not exactly the top pick of the litter.

While I agree with the rest of your post above I do disagree with this comment.

For the position and responsibility I hold at the Museum, the 220-300hrs a month I put in by typical scales for my position I should be getting a salary of over $115,000yr.

In fact I get paid pretty close to what the Parkland County Mayor appears to and far, far less than the position I held before I came on at the Museum as a staff member.

The point being...sometimes some of us choose to take on tasks because we believe in what we are doing and are trying to make a difference...rather than doing it for the dollars.

Now I don't know if this is the case with the elected officials in Parkland, but I wouldn't assume that their pay scale reflects their ability ether.

Sometimes, some of us choose passion and mission over dollars.

In my highly biased personal opinion

[MrWings]

Go look on the Parkland county website. These council members make 45,000 a year and the mayor 65,000 a year. A first year apprentice out of high school in Alberta makes $50,000 so I think I can confidentially say that the people holding those political seats in Parkland are not exactly the top pick of the litter.

These positions are considered part time. This is typical for smaller municipalities. So, not bad for part time work (although many would say they work way more than part time hours).

[Trematode]

These council members make 45,000 a year and the mayor 65,000 a year. A first year apprentice out of high school in Alberta makes $50,000 so I think I can confidentially say that the people holding those political seats in Parkland are not exactly the top pick of the litter.

Hilarious seeing this comment posted on a forum full of working pilots. By your logic, we should have all gotten into rural politics instead of aviation. Look at all the money to be made by first-year council members!!

Sometimes people do things for reasons other than money. I enjoyed the irony, though -- thanks!

[hoptwoit]

Sometimes people do things for reasons other than money. I enjoyed the irony, though -- thanks!

Just because you have the passion doesn't mean you have the skills. Let's face it there are some pretty passionate pilots with no skills.

[jonas]

Third, the area as a whole runs on sisterns and wells. There has never been pipes for water in the area. Not even for the nearby subdivisions. We do not anticipate that changing any time soon. This means, that if the airport uses the water table, which is low flowing as it is, to support this type of development, the nearby residents will be lacking water. All residents getting their water from the aquifer have a right to be concerned and question this type of development.

I'm pretty sure the water usage concern is a non issue. Most personal hangars don't even bother with water, and the larger hangars will generally have a single toilet, with a sink for washing hands.
The REALLY heavy water users will also have a coffee pot.

[azimuthaviation]

65 000 a year for mayor of Parkland county? That's 2 bucks a head per resident per year going to his salary, thats ridiculous. Keeping that scale Rob Ford should be getting 12 million dollars a year salary. Thats a lot of crack.

[azimuthaviation]

The runoff from the 80 acres would probably be more than the water usage of the airport. Some farmers might be better off trying to make a deal ot acquire some of that if therye really concerned about the amount of water they get.

[Tom H]

Well...

http://globalnews.ca/video/924467/parkl ... =community

With this part of the legal issue out of the way, the prior precedents set all the way to the Supreme Court of Canada I am suggesting that all sides calm down.

Put away the knives and pitchforks, time to get to the reality of the situation.

Understand what is really being built and work WITH each other NOW to mitigate the issues that are real concerns.

It really bothered me to see the senior couple on the news that have been wound up to think airliners are on the way and their world is coming to an end...it's not.

It's a niche' market airfield serving light to medium general aviation. There will not be giant 737s flying in and out 24hrs a day, giant oil spills and an aircraft crashing in the fields every other week.

If there are noise concerns, everyone sit down and work out a liveable solution...might not be what everyone wants but I'll bet it can be something everyone can live with, same with other concerns.

Villeneuve is where the larger stuff is going, it is where night traffic will be going as it has the tower and the infrastructure for those ops.

Having met the folks at Parkland a couple of times I would express the opinion (as I have before) they are reasonable and will most likely work to be good neighbors...its in everyone's interests.

Rant over, but please start to work together...it'll save time and money.

In my highly biased personal opinion

[rac007]

Looks like the parkland runway is going to be 26-08 (info from the parkland airport webpage).

[5x5]

Hmmmm, more developments in the saga. Sounds like there may be steps required to address the issues of certification sooner rather than later.
Edmonton Journal Article

[Flightfan151]

I don't think this will hinder anything. They will just be certified sooner than they had planned.