Caravan Type Rating/Training

[lilflyboy262]

Hi guys,

I have a friend who's just finishing up their training in Canada. I'm working overseas and can probably set them up with a job but they need to have a Caravan rating on their licence for a validation. This is a requirement and no way around it.

My first question is, is there anyone in Canada that will offer training on their caravan?
My second is that since there is "No type rating" for a van in Canada, and only PPC's. How do you get a type on your licence? Is a few hours training sufficient for this? Or will it need to be a PPC?

Thanks for your help!

[TeePeeCreeper]

Most GCAA's won't recognize a Canadian PPC on type unless an initial "type rating" course was previously completed with a known training academy. In your friend's case a Flight Safety/Pan Am CE208 initial type course will meet most overseas licensing requirements, although he/she would probably still have to complete a type/IR check ride with a designated check-pilot once in country.

All the best,
TPC

PS: If your flying out of where I think you are please send my regards to R and E!

[lilflyboy262]

Might be a good idea for me to check with the DGCA then on what they will accept before forking out any cash!
I might be in that country, but not with that company! New Start up one. Have three vans, 1 of them is a Legacy C208B, the other two are the EX models. Have 7 more EX's on the way this year alone....

You wouldn't happen to know of any companies that would be willing to do any training with their van? My old company only operates one there and they are flat out with it most of the time.

Wasaya perhaps? Or that company in Winnipeg?

[Number1]

In some countries, like India, a licence has the type rating for every single aircraft you fly or have flown. Other countries like Canada, not so. There is a 'blanket type rating' that covers all light single or multi-engine aircraft, land and sea, including a C208 and then individual type ratings for anything 'high-performance' or two-crew.

You cannot have a C208 listed on a Canadian licence. A PPC isn't really something you get onto a licence. I can enter it manually into the new licence booklet, but it's not 'official'. There's no signature block. The completed pilot proficiency check just one of the things needed that authorize me to fly for my employer.

I suspect the DGCA (India?) will have a very cleverly designed procedure for getting a C208 onto the Indian licence. So, yeah, best to check with them directly.

Good luck.

[2R]

To fly the 208 you must be at least 208 lbs.
Cessna designations have nothing to do with the square feet of wingspan but the weight of the pilot required to fly them. 150 lbs minimum for the C150,172 lbs for the C172,208 lbs minimum weight for the 208 and you must be Bald or Bearded to fly the 208 B
Flight Safety or Simcom can help you put on the required weight in their simulators to safely operate the aircraft
They cannot help you grow a beard or shave your head like Doc.

[trey kule]

You cannot have a C208 listed on a Canadian licence. A PPC isn't really something you get onto a licence. I can enter it manually into the new licence booklet, but it's not 'official'. There's no signature block. The completed pilot proficiency check just one of the things needed that authorize me to fly for my employer.

Do some of you just make stuff up to screw people over? You CAN get a c208 endorsement on your canadian license. Twin otter endorsements, c208 endorsements can be done at any TC office, get training, fill out a type rating application properly and pay the fee. Means nothing in Canada, but does overseas.

You can also get a PCC for a 208 with some companies in you are doing 702 work or VFR only.

BTW. Most countries. , but not all, also have a minimum experience requirement as well as an endorsement, PPC, or PCC.

[photofly]

Can I get a C150 endorsement on my licence? That would be hilarious. What kind of training will I need ?

[trey kule]

Yes you can. Some countries actually require it. Anyway, keep in mind if you plan to fly commercially that other people will see your license, and like posting on facebook they may see a 150 endorsement on your license in a different perspective. Just saying.
Specifically, contact your tc regional office and they will tell you the type rating form and what is needed. Pacific region does twin otter endorsements on a regular basis, and are familiar. Not so sure about the other regions.

[Number1]

Do some of you just make stuff up to screw people over?

Nice comeback, thanks. No, I don't. I just try to inform to the best of my knowledge. Your superior knowledge puts me firmly in my place.
Carry on.

[lilflyboy262]

Thank you for all the helpful replies guys.

So from what I have gleened from this information after weeding out the typical avcanada BS and egos, is that you can in fact get a type rating put onto your licence in Canada? Is there a minimum hour requirement with this?

The purpose for this once again is for the validation of a canadian licence in Indonesia.
Indonesia no longer offers licences to foreign pilots. So you MUST hold a rating on your licence at time of validation. Hence why the blanket rating in canada is a pain in the butt.

I'm not trying to get a type rating onto a foreign licence from doing training in canada, nor trying to import the rating into canada.

Also, again I ask, is there anywhere in Canada that offers caravan training? Otherwise my friend may be in for an expensive trip to America.

Cheers guys.

[seasonaldriver]

There is no place in Canada that offers sim training on the Caravan. To the best of my knowledge sim training is required here for flying IFR and the insurance companies sure like it too.

Be sure to contact the tax people and get the info necessary so that you can deduct the cost of the training from your income tax. A flurry of phone calls and emails between yourself, the tax people and Flight Safety or Simcom will be necessary to try to sort things out and even then there are no guarantees.

Good luck.

[lilflyboy262]

Thanks mate, It doesn't have to be sim training. Even in van training is fine. $1000 an hr, which is the usual going rate, for 5hrs (Or whatever the min required is) is still cheaper than going down to Pan Am which from memory was $8k, plus flights, accommodation, food and transport while down there.
It's also not for flying in Canada, it will be flying outside of Canada.