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Re: EVAS to take over Air Georgian's YHZ flying.

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PoFo wrote: Heard from a reliable source that GGN thinks the higher time Jazz FO's will soon defect and scoop up all the Direct Entry Left Seat spots on the RJ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw
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Re: EVAS to take over Air Georgian's YHZ flying.

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777LR wrote:
PoFo wrote: Heard from a reliable source that GGN thinks the higher time Jazz FO's will soon defect and scoop up all the Direct Entry Left Seat spots on the RJ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw
Lol. Nice!!!
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Re: EVAS to take over Air Georgian's YHZ flying.

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PoFo wrote:
Big Pistons Forever wrote:Are any Georgian's 1900 pilots getting upgraded to the RJ or are they hiring outsiders who are already rated ?
Heard from a reliable source that GGN thinks the higher time Jazz FO's will soon defect and scoop up all the Direct Entry Left Seat spots on the RJ.

Yes...high timed, higher paid FOs, will leave to fly old, underpowered CRJ100s, as Captain, for less salary then as FO, with more responsibility!

Yes...you are correct! We will miss those bright individuals!
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Re: EVAS to take over Air Georgian's YHZ flying.

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TrailerParkBoy wrote:
PoFo wrote:
Big Pistons Forever wrote:Are any Georgian's 1900 pilots getting upgraded to the RJ or are they hiring outsiders who are already rated ?
Heard from a reliable source that GGN thinks the higher time Jazz FO's will soon defect and scoop up all the Direct Entry Left Seat spots on the RJ.

Yes...high timed, higher paid FOs, will leave to fly old, underpowered CRJ100s, as Captain, for less salary then as FO, with more responsibility!

Yes...you are correct! We will miss those bright individuals!
Hey... don't shoot the messenger... LOL!

I would hope that no one leaves as well but you know there will be some.

I left Jazz after only a couple years as I could see the writing on the wall. That and I couldn't survive on the crap pay :D

Jazz's days are numbered. They kicked the hornets nest with Thomas Cook and now they are paying the price. It's just my opinion, but I'm guessing they are going to continue to lose flying up to and including the minimum until 2016 then they will lose even more till the CPA expires in 2020.

If you are a high time Jazz FO and were hoping for a left seat slot around the 6-7 year mark, you are now starting to wonder if that's ever going to happen. GGN will get some of those guys weather it's right or wrong. It will happen... Sky Regional & Encore. (Case & Point)

The industry is in a race to the bottom and GGN is the worst culprit of all!
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Re: EVAS to take over Air Georgian's YHZ flying.

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PoFo wrote:
The industry is in a race to the bottom and GGN is the worst culprit of all!
Nope.

GGN/SKY/Encore are all equal in this regard.
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Re: EVAS to take over Air Georgian's YHZ flying.

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The pay scale is based on credit hours with a defined min. The average Capt is projected to earn between 74K and 78K (initial direct entry Captains will/may be higher on the scale based on exp) and the FO's will earn 38K to 40K. That is with average workloads and no additional duties. Per diems were raised in the last collective agreement. The benefits are excellent for a mid-size company including loss of licence ins, medical, dental, life ins, ac passes (C4) and new RRSP matching although at a very low 1% after 5 years (it is a start). LIDC Captains and additional duty holders will be making 85K to 90K but no longer get an additional day off. Pilots also have the option of switching to Regional 1, AGL's charter division where the wages are higher and the schedule is lighter but not defined. The crew who rotate to Afghanistan or Africa from R1 also earn a very high premium. In summary if a CRJ or Dash 8 driver wants pay over schedule they can get it at AGL/R1.

To answer the experience question; I think the merger with Regional 1 last month will address all issues. R1 is a CRJ operator flying the type in the Canadian north, Africa and other locations. They also have a long list of contract pilots that R1 uses when they need them - assume most will work for AGL at least for a while. In other words the new AGL/R1 is an existing CRJ operator with both Canadian and international experience.

The loss of YHZ for AGL and gain for EVAS is part of AC regional airline diversification strategy and signifies more growth for both operators.

AGL has access to 50 CRJ's and close to 100 Dash 8 classics as well as "a more than a few" Q400 aircraft through AVmax their new partner. I think you will see their focus shift from the B1900 to these types in the next few years both within the AC family and outside of it by growing Regional 1.

The pay scales at AGL cover B1900, up-to 50 seat TP, up-to 50 jet, 51 - 76 seat TP and 51 - 76 seat jet. The CRJ 100 and 200's that AGL will fly for AC are upper middle of the scale.
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Re: EVAS to take over Air Georgian's YHZ flying.

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rudder wrote:
PoFo wrote:
The industry is in a race to the bottom and GGN is the worst culprit of all!
Nope.

GGN/SKY/Encore are all equal in this regard.
Stay tuned over the next few months... you are about to receive an education.
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Re: EVAS to take over Air Georgian's YHZ flying.

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Heard through the grapevine that lots of interviews are happening today and tomorrow in YQM and YHZ for EVAS. Anyone here have an interview? Care to share thoughts?
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Re: EVAS to take over Air Georgian's YHZ flying.

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Poco get off your high horse, you're not safe either.
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Re: EVAS to take over Air Georgian's YHZ flying.

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Gtanorth,

Have you worked for ggn between 2009 an today?
Or are you just management there?

There is more to a company than just the contract.
(When they decide to follow that contract...)

Pilots have been overworked and treated like scum there in the last couple of years.
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Re: EVAS to take over Air Georgian's YHZ flying.

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gtanorth wrote:The pay scale is based on credit hours with a defined min. The average Capt is projected to earn between 74K and 78K (initial direct entry Captains will/may be higher on the scale based on exp) and the FO's will earn 38K to 40K. That is with average workloads and no additional duties. Per diems were raised in the last collective agreement. The benefits are excellent for a mid-size company including loss of licence ins, medical, dental, life ins, ac passes (C4) and new RRSP matching although at a very low 1% after 5 years (it is a start). LIDC Captains and additional duty holders will be making 85K to 90K but no longer get an additional day off. Pilots also have the option of switching to Regional 1, AGL's charter division where the wages are higher and the schedule is lighter but not defined. The crew who rotate to Afghanistan or Africa from R1 also earn a very high premium. In summary if a CRJ or Dash 8 driver wants pay over schedule they can get it at AGL/R1.

To answer the experience question; I think the merger with Regional 1 last month will address all issues. R1 is a CRJ operator flying the type in the Canadian north, Africa and other locations. They also have a long list of contract pilots that R1 uses when they need them - assume most will work for AGL at least for a while. In other words the new AGL/R1 is an existing CRJ operator with both Canadian and international experience.

The loss of YHZ for AGL and gain for EVAS is part of AC regional airline diversification strategy and signifies more growth for both operators.

AGL has access to 50 CRJ's and close to 100 Dash 8 classics as well as "a more than a few" Q400 aircraft through AVmax their new partner. I think you will see their focus shift from the B1900 to these types in the next few years both within the AC family and outside of it by growing Regional 1.

The pay scales at AGL cover B1900, up-to 50 seat TP, up-to 50 jet, 51 - 76 seat TP and 51 - 76 seat jet. The CRJ 100 and 200's that AGL will fly for AC are upper middle of the scale.
GTANORTH,

You seem to have a lot of info on GGN. Do you have any insight on the future of the pilots currently in YHZ come April 1? Will GGN try to accomodate them elsewhere in the systems (Toronto or Calgary)? They are all on the B1900D only. Hoping for some positive feedback here.....if there is any.
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Re: EVAS to take over Air Georgian's YHZ flying.

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PoFo wrote:
I left Jazz after only a couple years as I could see the writing on the wall. That and I couldn't survive on the crap pay :D

Care to enlighten us on your current position?
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Re: EVAS to take over Air Georgian's YHZ flying.

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man,

there are a lot of disillusioned people here, who are blinded by few out of touch characters....who I have the suspicion are involved in management of GGN/EVAS...

Wake up kids, this industry is in a steep dive and recovery may not be possible if you continue to think like that...
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