And in this case, it actually cost 0$ to the taxpayers.
Nonsense. Agreed that there's no direct cost to us, but Bombardier doesn't supply the aircraft for free. Yes, they are insured, but insurance companies are in business to make money - lots of it, so they won't be giving away a replacement aircraft. Premiums will go up, and Bom will either put their rates up, or accounted for x hull losses per x flight hours, and we are paying for it that way...
Agreed, again, that it's probably costing us less than the cost of a dubbledubble per year. OTOH. a nickel here, a nickel there, as far as the government is concerned, and we're talking millions pretty quickly!
Three cheers and trip to Caesars steak house is in order for that.
It's not as simple as "privatization is bad." It can be as simple as adding a requirement to make a profit competes with wastefully doing things at cost.
Those planes have enough hours on them that I presume they were close to fully rebuilt via maintenance. Who has that contract?
I made a new thread to chat about this sort of thing outside of this area. We even found out bombardier is not supplying them at all, a separate company is. They bought the planes with bonds purchased by people with more money than you. It's a "non-profit" company but they will own some assets at the end. Unlike the military they will sell the planes and then? Profit, again that money won't go to you either. Unless you are heavily involved in Milit-air, in which case we should hang out and go flying. I'm off on Thursdays currently.
That's how contracts work. We gave Bombardier 2.8 billion dollars and in return they provide X assets and services for 20 years. Of course they are going to use subcontractors (many, many subcontractors), they are going to set up a corporation to purchase capital assets, and when it's all over, having fulfilled the contract, Bombardier and Milit-air will probably sell whatever assets are no longer required. When a plane crashes, if they can still maintain their end of the contract with the remaining assets, they will, if not, then they will get more. Sure, contractors like this rip off the Government all the time, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Before everyone's time, but no other than Charlie
Hillard suffocated when he flipped a Sea Fury
upside down during landing, and everyone stood
around and looked at the airplane.
Most contracts like this are performance based (ie: X number of sorties per day) the company has to figure out how to deliver. If they didn't include hull loses for a contract of this nature, then that's too bad for them. Of course at the end they will own the assets, since they own them now! The A/C are simply the "tools" used to meet the performance requirement. And if they have been maintained to civilian standards then they will be able to sell them more easily than military owned aircraft.
Colonel Sanders wrote:Before everyone's time, but no other than Charlie
Hillard suffocated when he flipped a Sea Fury
upside down during landing, and everyone stood
around and looked at the airplane.
As I recall, many people wanted to go to his aid, but were prevented by show staff/security/etc. from doing so.
Before everyone's time, but no other than Charlie
Hillard suffocated when he flipped a Sea Fury
upside down during landing, and everyone stood
around and looked at the airplane.
I remember back in 1992 the same type of thing happening to warbird owner Harry Doan in the states when his Douglas AD-4N Skyraider's brakes locked up and it flipped over.
Before everyone's time, but no other than Charlie
Hillard suffocated when he flipped a Sea Fury
upside down during landing, and everyone stood
around and looked at the airplane.
My apologies. I had assumed that if you asked
here, "Who was the leader of the Red Devils and
the Eagles Aerobatic Team", at least 99% would
have no idea.
Colonel Sanders wrote:My apologies. I had assumed that if you asked
here, "Who was the leader of the Red Devils and
the Eagles Aerobatic Team", at least 99% would
have no idea.
Speaking of ejection. Yikes.. Test of new Cessna Scorpion ejection seats.
Interesting. Unless it is a test specifically of the seat canopy breakers, it would appear there is no canopy fracture system. It seems to rely entirely on the canopy breakers on the seats....
Canopy fracturing is more for ground egress in case of canopy malfunction (ie you just crashed and now want out). Seats are designed to punch through the canopy.
SAR_YQQ wrote:Canopy fracturing is more for ground egress in case of canopy malfunction (ie you just crashed and now want out). Seats are designed to punch through the canopy.
True about the ground egress (using the CFS handle on the left side). However, at least in the Harvard, the CFS is also activated on ejection. As the seat rides up the rails, the CFS pin pulls a plunger which activates the CFS system prior to the seat reaching the canopy. As a redundancy, the seat itself is fitted with the canopy breakers, in case the CFS fails.
I can't speak for other ejection seat equipped aircraft such as the Hawk, however. I believe the CF-18 and many other fighters have the canopy jettison completely during ejection.
