Harvs Air Claims Copilot Time 1 to1

[schnitzel2k3]

Ok, so I was cruising through some ATPL study material and I came across a slide that claimed the one to one rule passed in Sept/13.

Anyone else able to substantiate this claim?

I know lots of guys and gals who will be excited if this is true.

[Koalemos]

Credits Towards Requirements for a Flight Crew Permit, Licence or Rating

401.09 The Minister shall, in accordance with the personnel licensing standards, credit the flight time acquired by a person in acting as a flight crew member towards the issuance of the person's flight crew permit or licence or the endorsement of the person's flight crew licence or permit with a rating.

401.10 The Minister shall, in accordance with the personnel licensing standards, credit the flight time acquired by a co-pilot towards the issuance of a higher class of pilot licence.
(amended 1998/12/01; previous version)

421.10 Crediting of Flight Time Acquired by a Co-pilot

The holder of a pilot licence may be credited not more than 50% of co-pilot flight time towards the total flight time required for the issuance of a higher class of pilot licence.
(amended 1998/12/01; >previous version)

[schnitzel2k3]

Yeah I know that literature is still there, wasn't sure if there would be a delay between announcement and publication.

[Koalemos]

This has been in the works for years. Until it's in the CARs, the answer is no. There's also no circular I could find.

Anyone getting their CPL or ATPL should do themselves a favor and get to know how to find info on the website. You will need it when employers push you to do illegal things and you need to show them you can't.

[adampenner]

We had word from the TC office at Winnipeg in Sept 2013 that this was the case. Have not heard anything since one way or the other. Will check with TC on Monday.

Adam

[schnitzel2k3]

Thanks Adam, it's worth a gander I guess.

[ThatArmyGuy]

*fingers crossed*

[human garbage]

Negative Ghost Rider... Its still 50%.

It was published in Gazette I back in February of last year. Here is a link to the text:

http://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/2013/ ... 3-eng.html

Bottom line is (as stated at the bottom of that document) is that it will go into effect 60 days after being published in Gazette II. It hasn't been published there yet, much less back in September 2013 as claimed. Here is a link to the TC page of recent changes:

https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/acts-regulations/recent.htm

I don't see any Gazette II modifications of the Canadian Aviation Regulations in there... Without that, there is no change to the CARs. It was supposed to happen last fall, but for some reason it hasn't.

[Chaxterium]

Here you go boys and girls, have at 'er!

http://tinyurl.com/nrxcosq

Government of Canada introduces changes to pilot licensing

February 12, 2014 – Ottawa – Transport Canada

The Honourable Lisa Raitt today announced amendments to the Canadian Aviation Regulations which will set the groundwork for the introduction of the Multi-crew Pilot Licence (MPL), extend the validity period of medical certificates associated with certain pilot licences and modify the requirements regarding credits of co-pilot flight time.

Industry groups, including training organizations, pilot associations, unions and operator associations, have widely supported these regulatory amendments, which bring Canada in line with international standards.

The amendments were published in the Canada Gazette, Part I in February 2013, followed by a 30 day public consultation period. The final regulations were published in Canada Gazette II today and come into force 60 days from today.

Quick Facts

The regulatory amendments introducing the MPL are the first step toward establishing the MPL in Canada. The next step is updating certification standards for approved training organizations (ATO) intending to deliver MPL training.

MPL training is an innovative and structured competency-based program, specifically designed to develop the skills and knowledge required to become an airline co-pilot.

Other international civil aviation authorities, such as the United Kingdom, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, allow MPL training.

Certain pilot medical certificates will have a longer validity period in accordance with recent changes to international standards.

All experience gained as a co-pilot can now be put towards other pilot licences, making it easier for pilots to progress professionally.

[altiplano]

Transport Canada
lowering the bar since @#$! knows when

What a joke. Won't be a pilot shortage afterall, just a skilled pilot shortage.

[CPLMike89]

What an awful idea in a long line of awful ideas. Most people I see struggle with the simplest decision making in a light single! Now you want to upgrade them with no time in the hot seat? Good god this industry is in a nosedive.

[altiplano]

this industry is in a nosedive

unfortunately that is probably going to be a literal remark...

[Girl17]

Don't worry, everyone. The licensing requirements were already so low, it's basically been up to employers to make sure pilots are adequately experienced to fly planes. So nothing's really changed if you think about it. Just Transport Canada further divorcing themselves from the reality of operating aircraft and retreating into their dream-world where nothing bad ever happens, unless it does.

Besides, they probably teach "how to select and train flight crew" in business school anyway. As long as the "accountable executive" has at least a masters' degree, say in something important like "management science" or something, everything will be hunky-dory!