BEECHCRAFT 1900 CAPTAIN AND FIRST OFFICER POSITIONS

[Central Mountain Air]

Company Name: Central Mountain Air
Contact Name: Diane Hughson
Street Address: Box 998, City:Smithers,
Province/Territory or State:B.C.

Country: Canada
Web Address:
Email Address:jobs@flycma.com
Phone Number:
Send Resume & Cover Letter Via:e-mail or fax 250-847-3744
Aircraft Types: Beech 1900, Dornier 328 , Dash 8

Job Description: Central Mountain Air is seeking applicants for Direct Entry Beech 1900 Captain and First Officer Positions. Pilot bases are Calgary, Vancouver , Prince George and Smithers.
1900 Captain Minimum Total time 3000 hours, 500 Hours Multi PIC, 1000 hours multi IFR
1900 First Officer Positions, Minimum 1000 Hours total time, 300 PIC, Multi 2 pilot crew experience preferred.
Salary:
Closing Date:

[Marinth]

What is CMA paying for FO positions now?

[volez]

What would be the salary offered for a captain position ?

Thank you for your reply.

[Rowdy]

FO's start at 25k/yr

Captains start 40k/yr

There is a considerable amount of information on them on the board as well as through the pilot salary websites.

[streakthequad]

your numbers are off.

[Rowdy]

your numbers are off.

Then post the actual ones! Or are they too abysmal ?

[PositiveRate27]

FO Salary $32,500 pay raise annually
Capt Salary $50,000, pay raise every 500hrs to a top end of $75,000

Anywhwere from $4000-$6000 in per diems a year. Good overtime pay. Extra pay for training, LID and charters.

[Rowdy]

So the bar has finally been raised a bit. Thanks for posting.

[Marinth]

Still a little low compared to other area operators of 1900's.

[After Dark]

Help me out, you say the pay is a little low as compared to other operators.

What are the other operators paying?

What are the benefits that are included in their pay structure? There is a lot of extras included in CMA's pay that is not published.

Who are the other operators you are talking about?

AD

[esp803]

There is a lot of extras included in CMA's pay that is not published.

Care to enlighten us?

E

[After Dark]

There is a lot of extras included in CMA's pay that is not published.

Care to enlighten us?

E

I am sure that CMA is at industry standard for basic starting pay.

[Airmanship Police]

^^

Shows what kind of great ppl you must have to deal with at cma!!

[esp803]

Capt Salary $50,000

I started working last year on June 11th. Between June 11th and December 31st I made substantially more than 50k flying light single Cessnas. What is this "Industry Standard" that all of you seem to speak so highly of? You would think someone flying as Captain on a large, twin turbine, pressurized aircraft would make more than a 185/208 driver? In fact I know several pilots who make that flying a 172. I'm not suggesting that the salary should be 200k, but what the hell is the incentive to apply if I have to work for twice as many months to make less money. An extra power leaver isn't worth that to me.

Apply and get the interview and then ask. I am sure that CMA is at industry standard for basic starting pay.

As for this rubbish, If they can't post their salary, working conditions, and benefits on the job ad, they do not deserve my resume or my time.

E

[PositiveRate27]

Capt Salary $50,000

I started working last year on June 11th. Between June 11th and December 31st I made substantially more than 50k flying light single Cessnas. What is this "Industry Standard" that all of you seem to speak so highly of? You would think someone flying as Captain on a large, twin turbine, pressurized aircraft would make more than a 185/208 driver? In fact I know several pilots who make that flying a 172. I'm not suggesting that the salary should be 200k, but what the hell is the incentive to apply if I have to work for twice as many months to make less money. An extra power leaver isn't worth that to me.

Apply and get the interview and then ask. I am sure that CMA is at industry standard for basic starting pay.

As for this rubbish, If they can't post their salary, working conditions, and benefits on the job ad, they do not deserve my resume or my time.

E

With all due respect Esp, where did you fly this Cessna? Was it a float operation? What were the experience requirements for the job? How many people were competing for the same job? How many applicants did your employer have, and how many interviews did they conduct?

A few things that CMA provides that your employer doesn't:

1) Multi engine experience
2) Turbine experience
3) Multi crew experience
4) The ability to live in YVR/YYC (I'm only assuming you do not live in a densely populated area and could be wrong on this one)

I'm thrilled you have the ability to make over six figures at your current job, but your current job simply does not provide the experience requirements that some pilots desire. CMA and the operators like it provide 3 of the largest requirements for pilots who would like to eventually progress to a 705 operator. The 4 items listed above makes CMA/PASCO/Sun West all highly sought after jobs. I should know, I've seen the stack of resumes. Colonel Sanders is completely correct, supply and demand dictate wages. That's it. Plain and simple. We are currently seeing the early stages of a shallow pool of qualified pilots. The stack of resumes is not shrinking, but the quality and experience levels of the candidates are. The result was a very substantial increase in starting salary.

It seems as though you have no desire to have a stab at 705 flying, and therefore companies like CMA and Pasco would not be an appropriate fit for you. It's not their job to fit their corporate model to your lifestyle desires. It's their job to run an efficient business, and they are managing to do so with the current crop of applicants. When they are in desperate need of pilots who demand 100K to fly their airplanes, they will start paying pilots 100K to fly their airplanes. In the mean time they will continue to evaluate what the others in the industry are paying pilots to do the equivalent job, and pay that as it's the industry standard. I'm not defending their pay structure, I'm just calling it how I see it.

As for Airmanship Police's comment, there is absolutely no evidence that Afterdark even works for CMA. Don't paint CMA with a gigantic brush. I have yet to meet a pilot at CMA I didn't have an absolute blast flying with.

PR

[ahramin]

A few things that CMA provides that your employer doesn't:

1) Multi engine experience
2) Turbine experience
3) Multi crew experience

I thought employers provided stuff like money and benefits. It never occurred to me that flying a more complicated aircraft with more lives in my hands meant that I was getting something extra from my employer. If 50k is a good salary due to the quality of the aircraft experience provided by a 1900 operator, what should heavy jet pilots be getting paid? I assume heavy jet experience counts for more than 1900 experience, thereby reducing the wage?

Also, the more you work, the more experience you get. Since I average about 15 hours a month less than others in my position, does this mean I should be paid more since I'm not getting as much experience as them?

[streakthequad]

Obviously after dark works for cma don't be stupid. They posted this exact job posting under the proper forum unlike central mountain air who posted it in the employment forum.

[loopa]

CMA is a different place for each individual.

They have pilots in the 100k mark flying 30 seat passenger aircraft around.

They also have pilots flying 18 seat passenger aircraft around for 50k.

The above is left seat pay.

The company isn't near perfect... if you want to get in, get your exp and get out, you can do that there.

You can also get in and stick around if you like.

If you don't get too involved with the company policies and expectation of fair treatment ... etc, it'll be an ok gig for the trade off of experience.

After Dark does have a point, apply, and ask about information if you are interested...

The assistant chief pilot in YYC base is a nice guy... he'll fund a company BBQ if you actually go to it

I think the biggest air of change is the development of a new culture within the company which AD can probably touch on more than I can.

One of the nice things at the company is that if you come in around 2000PIC even if single engine, you probably will see an upgrade on the 1900 within 6 months given that all the other ducks line up in a row for you.

In my opinion you can spend a whole whack of time debating industry standard pay, bonds, blah blah blah... CMA is what it is. Posting complaints on here won't change anything.

The owners want to make money, and you will be treated like a number. If you're looking for a family type company, CMA isn't probably your best bet. If you want a place where u go to work, do what you're told to do, and go home at the end of the day, CMA will be just fine.

Watch out... there are some people lurking on these forums with some grudges against the company... and based on their stories I don't blame them (keeping in mind what the exaggeration factor is)...

Do your homework!!

Good Luck!!! I hear several GRSC's scheduled for the next few months... several 1900 guys going to AC on a whim.

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[PositiveRate27]

A few things that CMA provides that your employer doesn't:

1) Multi engine experience
2) Turbine experience
3) Multi crew experience

I thought employers provided stuff like money and benefits. It never occurred to me that flying a more complicated aircraft with more lives in my hands meant that I was getting something extra from my employer. If 50k is a good salary due to the quality of the aircraft experience provided by a 1900 operator, what should heavy jet pilots be getting paid? I assume heavy jet experience counts for more than 1900 experience, thereby reducing the wage?

Also, the more you work, the more experience you get. Since I average about 15 hours a month less than others in my position, does this mean I should be paid more since I'm not getting as much experience as them?

Ironically, when you make the move to AC/WS, a pay cut is exactly what happens.

[goingnowherefast]

I tried to make a mortgage payment with 30hrs of turbine time and the bank manager just looked at me confused.

[esp803]

PR, I'd be happy to enlighten you.

I work out of a city, and a beautiful one at that (I've posted enough on here that if you really want to know it shouldn't take long). It was on floats for about 4 months. Experience requirements for the job? I'm not entirely sure, I was hired over a pint, never had to submit my hours, although I had virtually no float time, I think I did my first flight on the van on floats with about 220 hours on floats. As for how many interviews? I'm not sure, but there isn't much movement at my company so I don't think very many.

As for you 4 +'s

1) Multi engine experience
2) Turbine experience
3) Multi crew experience
4) The ability to live in YVR/YYC (I'm only assuming you do not live in a densely populated area and could be wrong on this one)

You're correct about the multi engine time, but I don't care about an extra lever. Turbine? Our Otter and Caravan both have one of those fancy things at the front, although I think it takes more skill to fly the 985 or 520 on a hot day with an external... Turbines are easy, it baffles my mind that people think so highly of turbine time. Multi crew? I can operate my own flap lever, thank you. I've flown multi crew, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to adapt to SOP's. Live in YYC/YVR, well no, you got me there, but you wouldn't catch me living in either for 50k... what's the average house price? As someone else said: Banks don't accept turbine time, even if it's multi-pic.

You did hit the nail on the head about the 705 thing, not my cup of tea, and I'm going to back out of this debate for that very reason. All I care about in my job is salary, time off and benefits, and with that in mind 705 is really not for me apparently. Enjoy chasing tin guys/gals, I'll take my lifestyle over 50k in YYC any day of the week.

E

[takamasa]

anyone got a call yet for 1900 fo position interview yet?

[loopa]

Feb 27 1900 GRSC is already filled in YVR. I know they were looking to run a couple back to back, and they are pretty famous for calling on pretty short notice sometimes... perhaps they have you planned for the second one but haven't told you? Must be frustrating.

Don't be afraid to call, the HR lady is pretty patient in explaining where you stand.

[PositiveRate27]

Was your interview Jan 15 or Feb 15? If it was Jan 15 I'd call to follow up... If it was Feb 15 it's typicall to wait a couple weeks, but you'd still be in the right to call and follow up.


Cheers,
PR

[Rowdy]

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