First Air Crash Resolute Bay August 20 2011

[cncpc]

Any Updates???????

Supposed to be any day now, but that was ten days ago?

[Gilles Hudicourt]

I heard back in early December that it would be the first week in January and we are now March......

[Liquid Charlie]

September give or take 30 days

[Shep]

September give or take 30 days

Of which year?

[Liquid Charlie]

2014 ----

[pelmet]

Based on previous reports, I'd say the time has come. Try mid-March.

[Sidebar]

Here's what the TSB said last month:

The coming months will see the release of several long-awaited TSB investigations, including into the deadly 2011 crash of a Boeing 737 in Resolute Bay, Nunavut

http://www.bloguebst-tsbblog.com/2014/0 ... xS_2U2PJ0s

[RatherBeFlying]

When the report is done, it then has to be translated which can take months. The official release happens when the report is available in both official languages.

The French Bureau Enquete Accidents somehow manages to issue interim updates for major accidents in English as soon as the French version comes out.

[Airmanship Police]

Because the French have a lot of practice writing accident reports these days!!

[pelmet]

When the report is done, it then has to be translated which can take months. The official release happens when the report is available in both official languages.

The French Bureau Enquete Accidents somehow manages to issue interim updates for major accidents in English as soon as the French version comes out.

If you look at page 7 of this thread, you will see these statements.....

A part of the long time is......not having the report released until it is translated into another language. The fact that several pilots could have read the report, said....."hey, I never thought about that before", and then applied the lessons learned in a future real world scenario and therefore saved a bunch of lives comes as a distant second priority to many advocates of certain language policies.

That is the biggest load of drivel I've had the displeasure of reading on this website.
Care to back up your statement with facts?

Regards,
TPC (happens to know some of translators whom work for/or on behalf of TC and the TSB)

Could it be that I was correct and the drivel was the response? That being said, maybe the translation is complete.

[Donald]

Could this delay be related to the fact 7F is bleeding cash and is rapidly approaching either bankruptcy, sale or merger?

[godsrcrazy]

Could this delay be related to the fact 7F is bleeding cash and is rapidly approaching either bankruptcy, sale or merger?

Seriously what would 7F bleeding cash and rapidly approaching bankruptcy in your words have to do with TC taking over 2,5 years to produce an accident report. Give your head a shake or put a Breathalyzer on your keyboard. If 7F has anything to do with he delay of this report it is only because they are spending money on lawyers arguing about what TC has to say. Personally i can't believe TC has taken this long. Obviously there are legal implications to this report.

[thirdtimecharm]

I wouldn't discount the role that understaffing at TSB plays in this. I understand that some of the folks working on the final report were called into the Lac Magantic investigation. There are only so many hours in the day and I assume that an initial portion of an investigation takes priority over the completion of a final report.

[jpilot77]

TC has nothing to do with accident reports it's the TSB, that being said they have taken too long. Also they have not realesed interm reports. Look how quick the NTSB came out with a report on the UPS crash in Alabama.

[thirdtimecharm]

CBC is reporting that the final report will be released on Tuesday, March 25th at 11:00am in Ottawa.

Missing my former colleagues at First Air right now. Hopefully this will provide some much needed closure.


http://www.newswire.ca/fr/story/1326499 ... nvolving-f

[midwingcrisis]

Yes. this has been a long time waiting.

[Gilles Hudicourt]

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/transport ... -of-canada

Its live now

11 AM Eastern

[CFR]

"unstable approach ... ineffective crew interaction"

First Air did not have an effective CRM program

report is here http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-repor ... 1H0002.pdf

[SAR_YQQ]

Really sucks that the CP suggested a Go Around twice.

AP mode disconnect and 17 degree HSI error led to some bad CRM decisions. RIP guys.

[Mr. North]

Unstable approach and a breakdown of CRM.

Another sobering reminder, we've all been in these situations.

[Troubleshot]

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[AllClutch]

a lot of people myself included thought that the military would be the boogie man in this situation, that the crew would have been dialled into the VOR and flew into that hill fat dumb and happy. Having stood myself in that impact area in Res Bay I would have concluded the same thing.
This accident was an unfortunate and preventable breakdown in CRM that will stand as a lesson to us all.
All the signs that the approach was going sideways were there and a go around command was issued.
How many people in their career called for a go around from the right side only to have the suggestion dismissed? I know I have and it makes you less likely do it again. Obviously I didn't die in that situation but if brought me a lot closer to that point then I wanted to be. Something I've always considered is that once I took my captaincy I would never dismiss that call from the right side because you might not realized when the deck starts being stacked against you. If we are just going to ignore those calls we might as well start flying around with a warm ham sandwich in the right seat instead of a competent and trained human being.

[Rowdy]

Brutal.

[ragbagflyer]

Wow, this is really, really bad. "Unstable approach" is the understatement of the century. It's one thing to let the approach get so completely mangled, but to just continue and magically hope that everything resolves itself while ignoring the FO who was clearly picking up that something was seriously wrong... it boggles the mind.

RIP guys.

The lawsuits from this one will be legendary.

[gwengler]

TRAGIC!

My theory/speculation stated much earlier was that they flew towards the VOR instaed on the LOC course. That was specifically looked at and investigated - and shown to be impossible. So I was clearly wrong.

Gerd