Packin' Heat - Pilot Arrested With Gun in Carry-on Bag

[Richard_K_Spyte]

And while youre battling this gunfight, who is flying the plane?

The German guy, Otto. You know, Otto the Pilot......

[NWONT]

Asmi, the pilots aren't strapping on a OK corral gunfight holster and strutting into the cockpit. .............It's done differently. The idea is to keep the hijackers out of the cockpit........so my guess is the flight crew will take care of flying duties. How many planes actually have sky marshalls on them. My guess is very few. Government cutbacks have taken their toll. They think that the threat of these guys is good enough. I have read a number of news stories where the crew had to restrain unruly passengers but none of sky marshalls stepping in. Yes.....I know.... they didn't want to give themselves away by stepping in. Let's get real here.

[NWONT]

Another reason the air marshal idea was reduced, along with the expense cutbacks, was hijacks would soon figure out how to stage a mock emergency to get the marshal to expose himself, then take him down so the real hijacking could go ahead...........so what then, three, four, soon there won't be anyone buying a ticket.

[Sulako]

I have deleted several posts. Warnings and vacations are next up on my list of actions. Let's all have a nice cold glass of orange juice, then go for a walk before posting again in this thread. Does that sound reasonable? I think it does

[NWONT]

Sulako, you deleted some comments that were important to the subject being discussed. Yes....I know, we must all be so damned politically correct on here. There was a time when a lively debate could be had on this site. Well I guess you're in control. I've been booted before. Next time I'll stay off.

[Pop n Fresh]

Pretty simple to me.

Deport him and ban him from returning to Canada. Much cheaper and faster than a trial, and ensures we won't have a problem with his guy again. I don't see the point in throwing him in jail here in Canada at our expense.

Doesn't send much of a message though....not with you on this one.
Illya

Neither would jail in Canada. Upon return,"How was prison?" "Awesome. Way better than the hotels they put us in on layover most of the time. I'm still thinking about the food."
J/K ... I've heard jail is better than a couple of work camps I've been in though, so. Who knows.

Also, what about when he "forgets" he was deported and banned from Canada?

[Nark]

I was reading this morning at the aeroport coffee shop, a local person was shot and killed. He was armed, and trying to enter a home.
The outcome in either Canada and US would have both ended the same. At least 1 dead person. However if you could chose which one was going to die, whom would you chose?

And that is the difference between our idiologoies. And why I'm here not there.

I'll add: when I fly there is a large possibility that I'm armed in some fashion. Are you more afraid of me being armed, or my lack of airmanship?

[Rockie]

I'll add: when I fly there is a large possibility that I'm armed in some fashion. Are you more afraid of me being armed, or my lack of airmanship?

When you're sitting in control of the airplane I'd rather you fly it than make like Wyatt Earp/Dirty Harry...you surely can't do both at the same time so why even try?

The only know discharge of a weapon by a FDSO was accidental through the sidewall of an A-320. Guns in the flight deck we can do without.

[Sulako]

Sulako, you deleted some comments that were important to the subject being discussed. Yes....I know, we must all be so damned politically correct on here. There was a time when a lively debate could be had on this site. Well I guess you're in control. I've been booted before. Next time I'll stay off.

When you personally attack another poster, for example saying "Soandso, you are an idiot" then don't get butthurt when I can't be bothered to surgically edit your posts and delete them instead. If you argue your points instead of attacking other posters, we won't have a problem.

[Pop n Fresh]

I'll add: when I fly there is a large possibility that I'm armed in some fashion. Are you more afraid of me being armed, or my lack of airmanship?

need more input.

- are either of us blindfolded?
- armed, cane sword?
- are there snakes on the plane?
- bears?

I better stop for now.

[Illya Kuryakin]

I was reading this morning at the aeroport coffee shop, a local person was shot and killed. He was armed, and trying to enter a home.
The outcome in either Canada and US would have both ended the same. At least 1 dead person. However if you could chose which one was going to die, whom would you chose?

And that is the difference between our idiologoies. And why I'm here not there.

I'll add: when I fly there is a large possibility that I'm armed in some fashion. Are you more afraid of me being armed, or my lack of airmanship?

I know you fly stateside. If you're flying a bush plane in AK, I think you should be armed as well. I appreciate the fact that some of you feel unsafe buying a pop at the corner store, without some kind of bang stick strapped to your person. I get the right to bear arms. It was put into your constitution when the guns were muskets. How it still holds for modern weapons, escapes me. However, you are NOT permitted to wander about the streets of a CDN city with a loaded handgun. DOH!
If a Canadian was caught in Downtown USA, with a loaded, unlicensed hand gun.....you can bet your ass, he'd be doing time in a Federal pen. Just as this total knob in Calgary should.
Illya

[NWONT]

Sulako, I think my assessment of the poster was fair based on the post in question. I quit posting here long ago because it seemed pointless but certain subjects get me .......passionate. I posted much on the gun registry being a tool by the government to disarm the population and make us all defenceless against them. I was called every name in the book on this. "You register your car, why not your guns?" they howled. The documentary I mentioned (Broken Trust) clearly shows exactly what I was talking about. The government agents made such a disaster of the High River Alberta situation they became so afraid of the citizens and literally kicked down the doors of private residents to seize their property. These were nice, middle/upper class homes in good neighbourhoods. Many who post here have absolutely no knowledge of what they beak off about but because they are anonymous they let fly anyway. No problem, it's a free world but expect to be called up on it. The post in question by Azimuth stated that air marshals, sitting quietly in their seats, not making eye contact with each other will stop anyone from entering the cockpit. That comment I found to be so stupid I felt I had to counterpoint. Possibly I didn't use terminology that would be acceptable at church picnic and OMG, someone is offended. The truth is that less than 1% of commercial flights in the USA have and air marshal on them, I doubt very much if any have two so I do believe the pilot should have a weapon he can use to keep any attacker off the flight deck. Just me talking. One man who was a frequent poster on this site was Catdriver. This aviator has lived through many eras of aviation, has flown aircraft around the world, flown more types to more countries with little or no navigation aids whatsoever, than any of us will ever dream of. His knowledge of aviation is without question, pilot, engineer, instructor, helicopter pilot, airshow performer, historian. The list is endless.This man took much time to relate experiences and pass on the knowledge he has accumulated to young aviators. These young pups, instead of listening to this distinguished aviator, instead hurled insults and showed much disrespect. Finally he had enough and packed up his banjo and left. What a loss to this site. So, Sulako, anytime you feel that my comments are offensive feel free to boot my ass off this site. It's happened before...........

[NWONT]

Azimu....3000 people died in the towers, maybe a gun on the flight deck could have stopped that. I'm about to rename you again but Sulako will have to eject me from this site. I know you will never admit that you know nothing but just keep posting......you make it more evident each time.

[azimuthaviation]

That comment I found to be so stupid I felt I had to counterpoint. Possibly I didn't use terminology that would be acceptable at church picnic and OMG, someone is offended. The truth is that less than 1% of commercial flights in the USA have and air marshal on them, I doubt very much if any have two so I do believe the pilot should have a weapon he can use to keep any attacker off the flight deck.

The point is that if there was a real need for aircraft to be armed from terrorists, air marshals would exist. The fact that even 1% of US flights have an air marshal is surprising to me. So if there is no need for armed security onboard the aircraft there is no need for pilots to carry a weapon. The fact that you dont grasp that does not diminish that point.

[Illya Kuryakin]

CHILDREN!! That will be ENOUGH out of the both of you!

Back on track. Charges have been laid. Our hero Captain is most likely going to spend some time coming to grips with the fact, that HE is indeed an idiot!

All he had to do (and I know three motorcyclists who did just this) was to tell CDN customs he'd had a helmet fire, and could they hold his firearm for him till his return flight. They would have locked it in a safe, and somebody would have got it to him on his departure. No harm, no foul. Twit!
Illya

[crazy_aviator]

Was the pilot's intent to murder/hijack or do other evil ? NO ! The brainwashed masses have been thought processed quite well. Give him a ticket and let him on his way. He is a good citizen,,,,, PROSECUTE the CRIMINALS instead ,,,,WAKE- UP North Americans !!! IF guns were outlawed, only outlaws would have guns!

[Sulako]

Sulako, I think my assessment of the poster was fair based on the post in question. I quit posting here long ago because it seemed pointless but certain subjects get me .......passionate. I posted much on the gun registry being a tool by the government to disarm the population and make us all defenceless against them. I was called every name in the book on this. "You register your car, why not your guns?" they howled. The documentary I mentioned (Broken Trust) clearly shows exactly what I was talking about. The government agents made such a disaster of the High River Alberta situation they became so afraid of the citizens and literally kicked down the doors of private residents to seize their property. These were nice, middle/upper class homes in good neighbourhoods. Many who post here have absolutely no knowledge of what they beak off about but because they are anonymous they let fly anyway. No problem, it's a free world but expect to be called up on it. The post in question by Azimuth stated that air marshals, sitting quietly in their seats, not making eye contact with each other will stop anyone from entering the cockpit. That comment I found to be so stupid I felt I had to counterpoint. Possibly I didn't use terminology that would be acceptable at church picnic and OMG, someone is offended. The truth is that less than 1% of commercial flights in the USA have and air marshal on them, I doubt very much if any have two so I do believe the pilot should have a weapon he can use to keep any attacker off the flight deck. Just me talking. One man who was a frequent poster on this site was Catdriver. This aviator has lived through many eras of aviation, has flown aircraft around the world, flown more types to more countries with little or no navigation aids whatsoever, than any of us will ever dream of. His knowledge of aviation is without question, pilot, engineer, instructor, helicopter pilot, airshow performer, historian. The list is endless.This man took much time to relate experiences and pass on the knowledge he has accumulated to young aviators. These young pups, instead of listening to this distinguished aviator, instead hurled insults and showed much disrespect. Finally he had enough and packed up his banjo and left. What a loss to this site. So, Sulako, anytime you feel that my comments are offensive feel free to boot my ass off this site. It's happened before...........

Too long, didn't read. Don't care about the issue either. I care about the forum rules. Personal attacks aren't cool, and they are against the forum rules that you agreed to abide by when you registered. Don't make them, and instead debate the issue, which as you said, you clearly feel passionate about. Or you can choose to continue to make personal attacks, and I'll click a mouse a couple of times. Your call, Captain.

[Sulako]

Also, it seems that this issue is getting people all riled up. Let's take a quick breather and return in a day or two to continue to discuss this in as rational a manner as we can. Until then, have a most excellent weekend!

[CpnCrunch]

Azimu....3000 people died in the towers, maybe a gun on the flight deck could have stopped that.

There are 32,000 gun-related deaths in the USA every year.

[NWONT]

Like I said Capt''n Crunch, this site is full of bullshitters, apparently I can't say idiots............The Centers for Disease control says the number of gun related deaths in the USA last year was 11493, but anyone can put anything they want on this site without any knowledge of the subject, just like you just did. Now I got to hide as I get booted off here for telling the truth.

[NWONT]

Have a good night Sulako

[azimuthaviation]

.The Centers for Disease control says the number of gun related deaths in the USA last year was 11493,

But if anyone is interested in the truth, its about three times that:

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/citation/quotes/6492

2011 - Accidental discharge of firearms 851


2011 - Intentional self-harm (suicide) by discharge of firearms 19,766


2011 - Assault (homicide) by discharge of firearms 11,101

2011 - Discharge of firearms, undetermined intent - 222

289 of the homicides are considered legal firearm interventions (by police)

on average 500 - 1000 people are killed every year from guns going off by accident. Often by children whose parents have "forgotten" their loaded weapon in one place or another.

[NWONT]

BTW, just read the rules on posting. I don't think anything I've posted is vulgar, abusive, sexually oriented or anything else on the list but I've been wrong before. My posts are meant to be thought provoking, and to expose false statements that some young person may accept as fact. I think the purpose of this sight, originally, was to discuss aviation related subjects and get opinions on a global scale. Much of this is to help steer a new, inexperienced aviator in the right direction. A young, impressionable person can get the wrong message by just listening to the chatter in the local bar or coffee shop but here he can ask for opinions from people in all areas of aviation and related areas...........but that's just me talking again.

[Illya Kuryakin]

Was the pilot's intent to murder/hijack or do other evil ? NO ! The brainwashed masses have been thought processed quite well. Give him a ticket and let him on his way. He is a good citizen,,,,, PROSECUTE the CRIMINALS instead ,,,,WAKE- UP North Americans !!! IF guns were outlawed, only outlaws would have guns!

It's a criminal code violation. One that you would let slide? Because he didn't happen to use his loaded, unlicensed, restricted ( actually, PROHIBITED do to the length of the barrel being under 4") firearm? Did he take it along with him outside his hotel room in downtown Calgary? Bet he didn't leave it in his room! I wouldn't have. He could have declared his gun to CDN customs right up front. They'd have put it in a safe till his departure. Then, this paragon of "a good citizen" tries to carry it onto an aircraft. Again, undeclared. Don't give me the old song and dance....only outlaws will have guns crap!
I'm a gun owner. You may be as well. That's not the point here. You can't pull that crap in the USA, and he can't pull it here.
If you want to lobby for concealed carry here in Canada, I'll be right beside you, waving the banner. In the meantime, this guy didn't "accidentally" carry a concealed firearm illegally into our country. He knew what he was doing......and chose to give our law the proverbial finger! If I was the Calgary Crown Attorney, I'd hang his sorry, dumb ass out to dry.
Illya

[GyvAir]

Don't forget the 32,163 injuries by firearms on top of the 31940 deaths by firearms. I wonder how many missed shot incidences there were?