Hawker On Its Nose in Kenora

[pelmet]

Bad luck....it happened again to the same plane.....hopefully not the same pilots.

A14C0072: A Wasaya Airways HS 748 (C-FFFS) had landed at Pickle Lake ON (CYPL). Prior to coming to a complete stop in front of the operator's hangar, the aircraft's nose landing gear collapsed. The crew reported hearing a landing gear warning horn; however no landing gear selection had been made. The aircraft sustained substantial damage to its engines and propellers. The aircraft has been removed from service for maintenance action. On Oct 16th 2013 (TSB file: A13C0141 refers) the same aircraft experienced a similar nose landing gear collapse in Kenora ON.

Still wondering about the small window that I asked about in the previous post.

[Illya Kuryakin]

We know these guys are not accidentally touching the gear selector. Something's just not right with FFS. I suspect there might be some major investigation into this one though. I don't expect to see that 748 in the air anytime soon.
Illya

[tractor driver]

Not the same captain.

[X-Savior]

Can Wasaya afford to fix it one more time?

[Illya Kuryakin]

Can Wasaya afford to fix it one more time?

Of course they can. Probably won't be a huge amount of parts to replace. Two engines (assuming they were running an the props struck). Two propellers. Hopefully, an entire nose gear assembly. Should still be an engine or two in New Zealand? Perhaps Botswana?
Are they down to two? Including FFS? Might be time to "start" searching for a
replacement? ATR? Calm Air likes them. Something smaller, with more frequent trips? CASA? BT67? They should have been seriously searching for a replacement 10 (or more) years ago.
There has to come a time to toss in the towel? Wonder how many more straws the old camel can take?
Illya

[CamAero]

We know these guys are not accidentally touching the gear selector. Something's just not right with FFS. I suspect there might be some major investigation into this one though. I don't expect to see that 748 in the air anytime soon.
Illya

Reading the description of events, I'd suspect a faulty NLG downlock or faulty, (or miss-rigged), gear-selector valve / handle.

The horn they heard is the caused by the combination of throttles below 12,000 RPM at the pedestal microswitch, (if I recall), and 'Gear Unsafe'.

The 'unsafe' condition / indication would happen when the microswitch at the NLG downlock opens; for whatever reason(s)...

As far as replacements go, the 748 is going to be very hard to replace. Everybody's hand is being forced on the issue though these days with the availability of engines & engine overhauls, pitot tubes, MLG downlocks and cabin superchargers becoming a major issue.

CA

[Illya Kuryakin]

How long can you keep a T Rex alive?
Illya

[upanickel]

Bad luck....it happened again to the same plane.....hopefully not the same pilots.

Still wondering about the small window that I asked about in the previous post.

It's the taxi light.