IFR Renewal

[tama]

what exercises are tested on the MIFR renewal? I understand its not like the initial.

..having to renew my for the first time soon.

[RonReynolds]

what exercises are tested on the MIFR renewal? I understand its not like the initial.

..having to renew my for the first time soon.

There really is no significant difference between an initial and a renewal flight test, assuming that you did your initial test in the last few years or so.

The main differences being this...

1. it can be done in a certified FTD if you choose.

2. with respect to approaches you do not have to complete a precsion (ILS/LPV) approach (both approaches can be non-precision), and if fact if you do an approach with vertical guidance the other approach "should" be a non-precision approach with a traditional ground-based navigational aid, such as LOC, VOR or NDB.

so basically the same as the initial

[checkremarks]

what exercises are tested on the MIFR renewal?

so basically the same as the initial

Don't forget an engine failure on one of the approaches. It's on the initial and on the renewal, so that's not new.

[Colonel Sanders]

If you choose to do it in the plane, landing the plane isn't a requirement. If you don't feel comfortable landing the plane give the examiner control and he or she will land the plane

Did you teach the Asiana 214 crew?

But seriously, folks. You think you should have
a Group 1 IFR but you don't think you need to
learn how to land a Seminole or Duchess?! Boy,
that trailing link gear sure makes landing hard!

What the f__k is Canada coming to?! I wish
some old bush pilots could read this thread.

You want to wear a white shirt and four bars?
Learn to do this, first:

[photofly]

If you choose to do it in the plane, landing the plane isn't a requirement.

Er, yes it is.

TP9939E, test item 10.

[Colonel Sanders]

I'm smelling a puppy mill, chock full of foreign students.

[photofly]

I'm trying to imagine the look on my local PE's face if I announced that I didn't feel like landing the aircraft on a check ride, and would he please do it for me.
"Certainly, photofly - would you like me to land before or after I fail you?"

[Colonel Sanders]

I know people think I'm a cranky, unreasonable,
insensitive old guy, but ...

You don't have to be part of the solution. But
try hard not to be part of the problem. And
someone with a fresh Group 1 IFR that can't
land the aircraft, is part of the problem. And,
so is the "Santa Claus" Examiner that's letting
it happen.

FTU's (especially puppy mills) should NOT have
Examiners on staff. A more clear conflict of
interest, I cannot imagine.

It is hard to argue that an Examiner should NOT
have "arms length" from an FTU that he is doing
tests at.

[checkremarks]

My comment earlier was directed at fellow Canadians living abroad flying much bigger aircraft like 727,737,320...etc. For them to come back home to Canada and do their ride in a plane like a seneca for the ATPL requirement is tough. I've been in the plane now a few times where the candidate is flaring the aircraft 200' above the runway. I don't blame them, it's was they have been landing for the past 23 months or so, to transition to a light twin from a large jet in one flight is crazy single crew.

Who cares if they can land a light twin? if they can do the approach single engine, overshoot, hold and the rest of the flight test items to flight test standards, that's whats important. Once they get signed off they go back to their respective countries flying their heavily automated aircraft. I couldn't care less if they don't want to land the plane.

[photofly]

Who cares if they can land a light twin?

Well it's in the test guide, and required by TC. It doesn't have to be a light twin, it has to be in whatever aircraft the candidate elects to take the checkride. Advising people online that they don't have to worry about what the test standard says they have to do, is pretty poor advice.

[checkremarks]

Your right, I looked it up and I was wrong, unequivocally.

[Colonel Sanders]

I know I'm accused regularly here of trying to raise
the bar too high ... but wouldn't it be nice if a four-bar
ATPL could fly an airplane as well as a 21 yr old?



You know, be able to land a light trainer twin
on a long, paved runway?

[timel]

Agree a pilot is a pilot not a button pusher.

[Colonel Sanders]

In these days of AF447, Colgan 3407 and
Asiana 214 I know I'm probably asking too
much but ...

Someone with an ATPL ought to be able to
read the POH/AFM of a light certified single
or twin, jump in it, and with no dual fly it
safely initially, and rapidly get up to speed
on it, and soon be flying it precisely and
smoothly.

Perhaps I am thinking of days (and pilots)
gone by. You know, the female ferry pilots
of WWII.

[trampbike]

I couldn't care less if they don't want to land the plane.

Bet you their future passengers will care.

[sidestick stirrer]

Hey: how come those Pitts wheels are on the bottom?
I thought they were only like that a brief moment before touchdown...