Ottawa RIver Departure under the Bridge
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Ottawa RIver Departure under the Bridge
http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new ... ier-bridge
I don't know what to say. I suppose it could have gone either way. Maybe s/he's got lots of time and does this all the time, or maybe it was a good heads up move for getting off the water late.
No idea.
I don't know what to say. I suppose it could have gone either way. Maybe s/he's got lots of time and does this all the time, or maybe it was a good heads up move for getting off the water late.
No idea.
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Re: Ottawa RIver Departure under the Bridge
People in Ottawa are easily frightened.
They would poop their pants if they knew
what happened elsewhere in the world:
That's Peter Besenyei, taking off from (on top)
of a bridge in Budapest. He'd probably be
considered "arrogant" in Ottawa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cw5OWK1Oxc
He's what the self-proclaimed anonymous
experts here would call an "old, bold pilot".
They would poop their pants if they knew
what happened elsewhere in the world:
That's Peter Besenyei, taking off from (on top)
of a bridge in Budapest. He'd probably be
considered "arrogant" in Ottawa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cw5OWK1Oxc
He's what the self-proclaimed anonymous
experts here would call an "old, bold pilot".
Re: Ottawa RIver Departure under the Bridge
Seriously, what's the big deal? Is is the concern for the natural habitat for the Canadian beaver?
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Re: Ottawa RIver Departure under the Bridge
We were discussing something similar to this here in Windsor. It was with regards to the few occasions where a pilot buzzed under the Ambassador Bridge. The group opinion was that if the float plane was still in the water as it passed under the bridge, it was considered a boat and no issue. If the aircraft was in the air then all the CARs dealing with minimum distances would be applied. I was told that one pilot's license was suspended after going under the Ambassador Bridge and another was just fined (both were in a non-float plane). Doing the Google hasn't revealed if this is true or old pilot tales.
Re: Ottawa RIver Departure under the Bridge
Apparently TC is involved now: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/fl ... -1.2730641
Re: Ottawa RIver Departure under the Bridge
This certainly seems to be getting blown wildly beyond proportion in my mind.
I've watched the video (3) times now, back and forth and looking less at the aircraft and more at the surroundings.
1) The take off patch was clear
2) There were no boats in the takeoff path or even close to being less than 500 feet away and none on a path that would have taken them into the take off path
3) The pilot was well clear of the bridge supports at what appears to be the centre of the archway.
4) The pilot stayed safely close to the water until well clear of the bridge.
5) I see no reason to think anyone was at risk
I am missing something?
Or is this just NIMBYism at it's finest?
Tom H
I've watched the video (3) times now, back and forth and looking less at the aircraft and more at the surroundings.
1) The take off patch was clear
2) There were no boats in the takeoff path or even close to being less than 500 feet away and none on a path that would have taken them into the take off path
3) The pilot was well clear of the bridge supports at what appears to be the centre of the archway.
4) The pilot stayed safely close to the water until well clear of the bridge.
5) I see no reason to think anyone was at risk
I am missing something?
Or is this just NIMBYism at it's finest?
Tom H
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Re: Ottawa RIver Departure under the Bridge
Same here, I do not see anything that even comes close to risk to property or persons.
It will be interesting to see what TC does.
If it was the Colonel he will be shot at dawn.
It will be interesting to see what TC does.
If it was the Colonel he will be shot at dawn.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Re: Ottawa RIver Departure under the Bridge
I agree. There wasn't even a slight adrenaline moment in that video. Does she assume that float planes are directionally controlled similarly to Quassam rockets and it was pure luck that it didn't end up splattered all over the side of the bridge or cutting a scull in two? This just sounds like someone who doesn't like having to share the space. Sort of like the spats between the horse people and the trail bike riders.Tom H wrote:NIMBYism at it's finest?
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Re: Ottawa RIver Departure under the Bridge
Read the first sentence of CAR 602.14:If the aircraft was in the air then all the CARs dealing with minimum distances would be applied.
He was taking off. It's not like he doveMinimum Altitudes and Distances
602.14 (2) Except where conducting a take-off, approach or landing or where permitted under section 602.15, no person shall operate an aircraft
(b) in circumstances other than those referred to in paragraph (a), at a distance less than 500 feet from any person, vessel, vehicle or structure.
down and looped the bridge, for Christ's
sake.
They can try to nail him with "one size fits all"
CAR 602.01 ... in which case, we can put together
an "amicus curiae" which states that we, as a
group of professional pilots, did not find that
to be anything that a reasonable and prudent
pilot would do.
That is the litmus test for 602.01 - "reasonable
and prudent".
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Re: Ottawa RIver Departure under the Bridge
When I was up working in YVT, Barry used to takeoff and land under the bridge there 10x a day. And there is only about 30' of clearance under that one.... Don't see the big deal here.
Re: Ottawa RIver Departure under the Bridge
Probably the spectators didn't expect the pilot to go under the bridge, which caused them to over-react. Didn't look too dangerous to me either, but it is unusual (for the area), and people all react differently (usually poorly) to the unusual, especially when airplanes are involved.
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Re: Ottawa RIver Departure under the Bridge
Bingo. CAR 602.01 doesn't stick, regardless
of whatever hysteria the CBC manufactures
on a slow news day.
of whatever hysteria the CBC manufactures
on a slow news day.
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Re: Ottawa RIver Departure under the Bridge
It would have been really dangerous if he tried to overfly the bridge from where he lifted off.
Re: Ottawa RIver Departure under the Bridge
Thanks all for confirming I wasn't blind or nuts (well the nuts could be debatable)
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Re: Ottawa RIver Departure under the Bridge
Lana Burpee should be fined for wasting everyones time.
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Re: Ottawa RIver Departure under the Bridge
What a joke this has become. This pilot did nothing wrong, illegal, or even dangerous.
Transport "should" look at the video and find that nothing wrong was done here.
Transport "should" look at the video and find that nothing wrong was done here.
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Re: Ottawa RIver Departure under the Bridge
Yup, hopefully water under the bridge ...
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Re: Ottawa RIver Departure under the Bridge
The issue will likely turn out to be that he/she landed and took off within the built-up area of the city which wasn't an airport, nor was it for the purpose of saving human life.
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Re: Ottawa RIver Departure under the Bridge
I had to google NIMBY...I learned something new today and will have forgotten it by breakfast.
NIMBY means a cloud with precipitation. Dammit, it's getting worse.
NIMBY means a cloud with precipitation. Dammit, it's getting worse.
Re: Ottawa RIver Departure under the Bridge
Was there a legitimate need to do this or was it purely for showboating? This would be the first questing I would ask. Because it is legal doesn't mean it is smart.
Going for the deck at corner