Grand Manan Medevac Accident

[Woxof38]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-bruns ... -1.2738460



Two people were killed Saturday when their small plane crashed on Grand Manan, N.B.

Ambulance New Brunswick said the Atlantic Charters flight crashed in a wooded area near the airport shortly after 5 a.m.

A pilot and paramedic died in the crash. A second pilot and a registered nurse survived.

More to come

[cncpc]

Isn't that the outfit the old German gentleman runs?

[Illya Kuryakin]

What was the WX in the area at the time?
Illya

[MIQ]

Isn't that the outfit the old German gentleman runs?

I think it is. Saw a job posting for a F/O position on here a few months ago.
Very unfortunate, my condolences.

[fish4life]

I'm surprised anyone still uses non pressurized piston aircraft for medevacs

[Illya Kuryakin]

I'm surprised anyone still uses non pressurized piston aircraft for medevacs

I'm always surprised when this surprises anyone. A piston twin flown properly is as safe as any turboprop. Especially in the flatlands. The rest is simply sunshine pumped up our butts by the local medical personal, who wouldn't know a Piper Cub from a 777!
Illya

[SuperchargedRS]

I'm surprised anyone still uses non pressurized piston aircraft for medevacs

I'm always surprised when this surprises anyone. A piston twin flown properly is as safe as any turboprop. Especially in the flatlands. The rest is simply sunshine pumped up our butts by the local medical personal, who wouldn't know a Piper Cub from a 777!
Illya

I think the failure rate per hours flown would say a different story. I'll stick to my PT6s and TPE331s

[oldncold]

RE piston unpressurized medevac.

The province of New Brunswick is by comparison a small province in terms of distance there are turbine medevac aircraft in Saint John but the distance from Grand Manan Island to Saint John is 54nm if my memory is correct . There is no problem keeping a 2000ft or less cabin. Not all provinces have the financial capacity to carry such expensive bloated taxpayer medevac programs like Ontario. Since most payments to the private S.O.A. carriers are a per mile a turbine may not make any sense due to those costs.

Grand Manan is an Coastal Island community, subject to all the weather diversity of mother natures east coast basket. The community generally insists that a medevac aircraft be stationed there . This is to ensure that they can get an injured person or sick to a larger better equipped hospital. even if the aircraft cannot land back in Grand Manan due to weather. You will note that there is an LWIS VS AWOS . THAT WAS DONE for a reason as AWOS can be used to determine legal vis n ceiling take off limits for commercial ops.

My Sincere condolences to all concerned,great bunch of folks , awesome lobster.

[Cat Driver]

Should you lose an engine in a Navajo flying near sea level you can fly it to the nearest airport...it is not an automatic death sentence.

[Illya Kuryakin]

Should you lose an engine in a Navajo flying near sea level you can fly it to the nearest airport...it is not an automatic death sentence.

It is if you can't fly. Pity, too many pilots can't.
Illya

[Illya Kuryakin]

I'm surprised anyone still uses non pressurized piston aircraft for medevacs

I'm always surprised when this surprises anyone. A piston twin flown properly is as safe as any turboprop. Especially in the flatlands. The rest is simply sunshine pumped up our butts by the local medical personal, who wouldn't know a Piper Cub from a 777!
Illya

I think the failure rate per hours flown would say a different story. I'll stick to my PT6s and TPE331s

So, a Navajo can't be flown safely then? Staying home can be done safely as well.
Illya

[fish4life]

I was thinking from a speed / reliability / pressurization side of things let alone much better capability in icing to have a turbo prop

[Illya Kuryakin]

So, what happened in this accident?
Illya

[Spinner]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-bruns ... -1.2738891

Pilot killed was Klaus Sonnenberg
Paramedic killed was William Mallock

Doesn't matter how it happened it is still a tragedy.

[rigpiggy]

It matters only as to how to avoid the same mistakes

My condolences

[imarai]

Grand Manan has a population of around 2,500, with a dedicated H24 air ambulance service. Impressive, or what?

[Indanao]

So, what happened in this accident?
Illya

Cutting corners? Too close in and low and slow on base, stalled turning final?
Head of Company should be able to fly better than that? Wonder what kind
of SOPs they got?

( Cat Driver is back ! )

[Prairie Chicken]

My condolences to the families of both men lost, and to the community that knew them well.

And hopes for speedy recoveries for the two survivors.

[Illya Kuryakin]

So, what happened in this accident?
Illya

Cutting corners? Too close in and low and slow on base, stalled turning final?
Head of Company should be able to fly better than that? Wonder what kind
of SOPs they got?

( Cat Driver is back ! )

Sounds like it was foggy. Never flown base to final IMC on an approach. Have you? Why the Cat Driver comment? They would have similar SOPs that the rest of us use.
Illya

[Indanao]

[quote=
Sounds like it was foggy. Never flown base to final IMC on an approach. Have you? Why the Cat Driver comment? They would have similar SOPs that the rest of us use.
Illya[/quote]

Other scenario, .9km Vis. below minimums at 5am.

Are you Cat Drivers NEW dog - or same old one with new name? Can't teach an old dog new tricks!

SOPs change with the Company.

Where's the mystery?

[Cat Driver]

Sic-Em Illya.....go get Em boy.

[Illya Kuryakin]

WOOF. WOOF. WOOF

[Illya Kuryakin]

[quote=
Sounds like it was foggy. Never flown base to final IMC on an approach. Have you? Why the Cat Driver comment? They would have similar SOPs that the rest of us use.
Illya

Other scenario, .9km Vis. below minimums at 5am.

Are you Cat Drivers NEW dog - or same old one with new name? Can't teach an old dog new tricks!

SOPs change with the Company.

Where's the mystery?[/quote]

Never heard vis referred to as .9km. You are obviously more knowledgable than I.
Illya. I am my own dog, BTW

[Indanao]

Depends upon where you get your information. Aviation reports or public reports. This is Canada.

Where's the mystery?

[CpnCrunch]

"Our understanding at this point in time is it was foggy, it was early morning, and right now that's all we really have," said Doug McEwen, a TSB investigator.
...
There are tire marks on the road several hundred metres before the runway.

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