"charter" vs " scheduled charter" difference?

[tractor747]

What's the difference between the two?

Thanks guys

[garfield]

I guess in a " scheduled charter" you'll now your schedule in advance. So, they will not call you in the middle of the night telling you ''You have a flight in 1 hour...''

[tractor747]

In terms of commercial operation. Do I need written permission from the destination airport that I'll be performing these "scheduled charters" or just fly there.

[Tail-Chaser]

I think it's just a way of trying to skirt regulations with different wording.

But that could be context sensitive.

A charter for one company that's exclusive for that company, booked for the same time every week. Scheduled charter sure.

Providing a passenger service to the public and calling it a scheduled charter would be bs in my mind.

[TeePeeCreeper]

Semantics.

Point to point charter vs. scheduled service.

All the best,
TPC

[KK7]

From a business standpoint, charter vs. scheduled means selling the use of an aircraft to someone vs. selling seats. I've flown scheduled charter, we did not sell seats but we operated on a scheduled route. We simply provided the aircraft to the customer to fill the seats as they saw fit. We got paid regardless of how full or empty the airplane was. We were not operating it as scheduled from a regulatory standpoint.

[goldeneagle]

In simple terms. When joe schmo calls up and charters an airplane to go to a fishing lodge, it's a charter and joe schmo pays the bill. When the lodge owner calls and says he wants an airplane to come every friday at 4 pm to take guests in/ out, then it's a scheduled charter and lodge pays for the airplane at the full aircraft rate. Wether or not they charge clients individually for the seats is business of the lodge, not the carrier. When the carrier says to the lodge we will show up every friday at 4pm and charge you 125 per passenger, it is scheduled service and the passengers pay the airline.

[Meatservo]

Usually when I've encountered the term, it's been where someone not connected with the air service sells "tickets" and then charters the plane. So for the airline, it's a charter, but of course they know this charter will be happening at the same time and on the same day every week. They get out of having to run it as a "scheduled" flight and the guy who sells the tickets is the charterer. It works this way in lots of small fly-in communities. Sometimes the charterer refers to himself as an "air service" but of course is not an air service according to the legal definition. An advantage is that if not enough people buy a ticket, the charterer can cancel the charter, which you can't do in a "real" scheduled service.

[Boreas]

The company I work for - I work overseas - has created a secondary
company which charters our aircraft out on a regular basis, as per
our 'schedule'.

I thought it was pretty funny when I found out. Does this ever happen
back in Canada?

[tractor747]

[Could you offer scheduled charter service 3 to 4 times a day to the same airport as long as it's chartered by an individual or company/companies that wish to ferry their employees?

Thanks for the quote

quote="KK7"]From a business standpoint, charter vs. scheduled means selling the use of an aircraft to someone vs. selling seats. I've flown scheduled charter, we did not sell seats but we operated on a scheduled route. We simply provided the aircraft to the customer to fill the seats as they saw fit. We got paid regardless of how full or empty the airplane was. We were not operating it as scheduled from a regulatory standpoint.[/quote]

[tractor747]

So can a club not affiliated in aviation sell tickets on an air service company to fly the club's passengers/members as a scheduled charter or is this illegal.

[MrWings]

So can a club not affiliated in aviation sell tickets on an air service company to fly the club's passengers/members as a scheduled charter or is this illegal.

Isn't that essentially what some travel agencies do?

[tractor747]

What if it was a golf club or a gun club or a yacht club, can they sell seats on charter aircraft? Sell the charter seats to their members.

ote="MrWings"]

So can a club not affiliated in aviation sell tickets on an air service company to fly the club's passengers/members as a scheduled charter or is this illegal.

Isn't that essentially what some travel agencies do?[/quote]

[TeePeeCreeper]

Didn't Max Ward do this for years?

[LE8]

quick question on the 'scheduled charter' segment of this thread,

can you have a scheduled charter for example 2 times a day utilizing something the size of a 8 passenger plane ( not a business jet ) can the charterer charter the airplane to 8 individuals whom they don't know each other. I know you have to charter the airplane to either an individual or a company but can you realistically or legally advertise a scheduled charter and have up to 8 individuals or whatever the maximum the airplane holds, it could be 4 , 6 or 8 individuals.

I've already posted the question to TC and waiting for a response, just checking to see if other charter operators would know this.

thanks


LE8

[LE8]

Can you pre-sell charter time on a small charter aircraft (caravan, otter, beaver) to prospective companies to bring down the companies cost to charter? Can you presell blocks of 50 or 100 hours without the company chartering the aircraft have any ownership in the charter company?

Curious to see the answer and of course the pros and cons.

I'm not talking about several companies owning a portion of the airplane and having a management company run things.

Thank you

[LE8]

The toronto island airport as I have read and heard has I believe 202 slots for "scheduled air service" (porter,air canada).
Can an air service not based at YTZ provide charters whether on demand or scheduled air charter service without violating air regulations?
Whether it's once a day,once a week or once a month.

Thanks

[upintheair_]

I fly what you could consider a scheduled charter. We find out the following day's schedule the afternoon before.. however it's basically guaranteed that there will be changes the following day so I can typically expect a 10-14 hour day even if it says 8.

[cdnpilot77]

I think the discussion was more around an Air Transat type setup where they are chartered to Transat Vacations and Transat Vacations says "I want you go from xxxx to xxxx every Thursday at 0945"

[upintheair_]

I gotcha.

[LE8]

Great info guys thanks, there are no issues with flying into YTZ as a scheduled or on demand charter.

You're not part of the 202 slots ?