WestJet Mainline/Encore Hiring pool

[rudder]

During the 1970's boom time hiring cycles (1973/1974 and 1978/1979) AC hired lots of pilots with extremely low experience levels. Most of them are either currently in the left seat of the B777 or retired from some other AC widebody left seat.

Left seat time does not matter unless you are looking for DEC. And that left seat time should be in a comparable equipment type. What you are looking for is aptitude (i.e. ability to learn and execute). That does not mean that every new-hire should be ab initio with a high SAT score, but it certainly sounds like quality 705 right seat time is an asset particularly when there will be several more years prior to an upgrade opportunity at a 705 operator with large aeroplanes.

[leftoftrack]

Really that's all you have to say leftoftrack?

Give the guy some credit for that great post.

I couldn't read it it all just blended together. I'm sure it was interesting but the message was lost in the delivery

[HB777LW]

The message is that all you king air and navajo skippers out there are not more qualified than 705 F/O's with relevant experience who haven't had the opportunity to upgrade due to some technicality like contrails; who would otherwise make great Captains at Encore. In fact, these f/os are probably actually ready for a command assessment if given the opportunity in an industry umbrella that doesn't hold Navajo time as more valuable as 705 airline time. My message is even proven by DaveP's post when he said that a lot of these guys and gals they have hired "hint: King air / Navajo / 1900 Captains" are being put through command assessment and aren't ready for upgrade. How about a 4000 hour guy with 3000 of that Dash exp Dave? Tried those type of folks?

Hi Guys,
The reason for the direct entry posting is because the upgrades are now faster than planned. Basically upgrade assessments are taking place in initial training and many guys and gals simply aren’t ready.

What is that telling you? 500 multi pilot in command requirement is a useless way to weed out candidates when there otherwise are some great F/O's who would thrive at Encore but can't get on because of some formality. Rudder hit the nail on the head, it's more about aptitude then your logbook for the upgrade. If F/O time on something relevant is useless to be a Captain and if that's the argument anyone wants to make, make sure to never set foot on any commercial airliner outside of Canada. I'm talking about the KLM's, Lufthansa's, Emirates, Qatar's, Cathay's, SAS, Ethiad, and the countless other airlines that also have some extremely skilled commanders irrelevant to the navajo or king air pic in their logbook. Also look at how many airlines out there are presently hiring 705 f/o's for simply having multi crew, glass cockpit, above 10tonnes or 13tonnes mtow experience? For jobs on 320's... 737's... which will lead into their 330's, 777's, 787's... which will lead into their upgrade probably after 5 years after joining. Why? Because it's relevant experience, meanwhile your navajo's and king airs are looked at as a laughing stock. Personally I don't think it's a laughing stock; it's good experience, but in reality it ain't as golden as it's made out to be on home soil. It's only in Canada and perhaps the states where you thrive off that kind of experience and it's not correct. It should be that in order to get on with AC or WJ or Encore, you have relevant experience. The problem is that you need an entry into that relevant experience and in this country there are no entries supporting that. I'll end with this, if you king air captains think you are more qualified for a Q400 F/O job, I invite you to a command assessment course with a 10 year AC 777 FO who is doing the same thing for his/her captaincy, let's see who washes out of their command assessment first. The q400 command assessment on a King air captain, or the f/o with time on type doing command assessment on their type. Then we will repeat the same thing for you, but this time you are dealing with a 4000 hour, 3000 hour Dash time F/O. Both times the F/O's will statistically score a better assessment than you ever could. Why ? I'll leave that as a rhetorical question.

I think I've made my argument clear enough.

Rant away

[leftoftrack]

The message is that all you king air and navajo skippers out there are not more qualified than 705 F/O's with relevant experience who haven't had the opportunity to upgrade due to some technicality like contrails; who would otherwise make great Captains at Encore. In fact, these f/os are probably actually ready for a command assessment if given the opportunity in an industry umbrella that doesn't hold Navajo time as more valuable as 705 airline time. My message is even proven by DaveP's post when he said that a lot of these guys and gals they have hired "hint: King air / Navajo / 1900 Captains" are being put through command assessment and aren't ready for upgrade. How about a 4000 hour guy with 3000 of that Dash exp Dave? Tried those type of folks?

Hi Guys,
The reason for the direct entry posting is because the upgrades are now faster than planned. Basically upgrade assessments are taking place in initial training and many guys and gals simply aren’t ready.

What is that telling you? 500 multi pilot in command requirement is a useless way to weed out candidates when there otherwise are some great F/O's who would thrive at Encore but can't get on because of some formality. Rudder hit the nail on the head, it's more about aptitude then your logbook for the upgrade. If F/O time on something relevant is useless to be a Captain and if that's the argument anyone wants to make, make sure to never set foot on any commercial airliner outside of Canada. I'm talking about the KLM's, Lufthansa's, Emirates, Qatar's, Cathay's, SAS, Ethiad, and the countless other airlines that also have some extremely skilled commanders irrelevant to the navajo or king air pic in their logbook. Also look at how many airlines out there are presently hiring 705 f/o's for simply having multi crew, glass cockpit, above 10tonnes or 13tonnes mtow experience? For jobs on 320's... 737's... which will lead into their 330's, 777's, 787's... which will lead into their upgrade probably after 5 years after joining. Why? Because it's relevant experience, meanwhile your navajo's and king airs are looked at as a laughing stock. Personally I don't think it's a laughing stock; it's good experience, but in reality it ain't as golden as it's made out to be on home soil. It's only in Canada and perhaps the states where you thrive off that kind of experience and it's not correct. It should be that in order to get on with AC or WJ or Encore, you have relevant experience. The problem is that you need an entry into that relevant experience and in this country there are no entries supporting that. I'll end with this, if you king air captains think you are more qualified for a Q400 F/O job, I invite you to a command assessment course with a 10 year AC 777 FO who is doing the same thing for his/her captaincy, let's see who washes out of their command assessment first. The q400 command assessment on a King air captain, or the f/o with time on type doing command assessment on their type. Then we will repeat the same thing for you, but this time you are dealing with a 4000 hour, 3000 hour Dash time F/O. Both times the F/O's will statistically score a better assessment than you ever could. Why ? I'll leave that as a rhetorical question.

I think I've made my argument clear enough.

Rant away

The problem with your argument is the AC FO probably has the Navajo time you think is worthless. Also the encore matrix grew out of the failure of so many of their candidates attempting the upgrade. If you don't like their policy's dont apply, you'll teach them.

[AirMail]

Everyone knows PIC time in a circuit makes the best skilled pilot.

I basically agree with you HB777LW, I know of a few skilled FOs who got PFO'd from WJE, to me it's Encores loss. Perhaps a sim eval would be better suited for choosing candidates rather than HR personnel who are basically clueless as to whom a good pilot is from a matrix.

[eh3fifty]

I agree with HB777.

The matrix is basically a band-aid fix. They should be doing simulator evaluations.

From my flight instructing days, I was never able to tell how a pilot would do by looking at their logbook and talking with them. Hours doesn't mean much with regard to how well a person can operate an airplane.

Experience in the right areas, coupled with a good aptitude, will generally lead to competence - the end goal.

[KK7]

I'm not sure what's being argued here... the Encore matrix has nothing to do with multi-PIC. It's 500 hours in a 705 and/or Transport Category aircraft, as far as I know it does not specify PIC. I know DECs with no PIC time in 705 or transport category, but lots as an FO (including some with no MPIC). Likewise King Air Captains and so on are being hired as FOs so they can learn the operation first. Makes sense to me - The DECs should be guys who already know how the operation works. Time flying a King Air around the north, although valuable, is not representative of an airline operation.

I also know of well qualified Captains from equivalent 705 operations who were sent a PFO. But I believe WJ and WJE have more requirements beyond experience. A lot has to do with attitude and finding the right person that fits into the company culture. Obviously WJ has a specific culture that is different from most other airlines. There are a lot of jaded folks out there and those who believe they are owed something due to time spent in the industry, and this comes through during the interview. Recruiters are instructed to not hire these folks. It may be at a loss to the company, but the risk is too great to lose the established culture, and there is no shortage of qualified applicants to choose from.

[HB777LW]

The message is that all you king air and navajo skippers out there are not more qualified than 705 F/O's with relevant experience who haven't had the opportunity to upgrade due to some technicality like contrails; who would otherwise make great Captains at Encore. In fact, these f/os are probably actually ready for a command assessment if given the opportunity in an industry umbrella that doesn't hold Navajo time as more valuable as 705 airline time. My message is even proven by DaveP's post when he said that a lot of these guys and gals they have hired "hint: King air / Navajo / 1900 Captains" are being put through command assessment and aren't ready for upgrade. How about a 4000 hour guy with 3000 of that Dash exp Dave? Tried those type of folks?

Hi Guys,
The reason for the direct entry posting is because the upgrades are now faster than planned. Basically upgrade assessments are taking place in initial training and many guys and gals simply aren’t ready.

What is that telling you? 500 multi pilot in command requirement is a useless way to weed out candidates when there otherwise are some great F/O's who would thrive at Encore but can't get on because of some formality. Rudder hit the nail on the head, it's more about aptitude then your logbook for the upgrade. If F/O time on something relevant is useless to be a Captain and if that's the argument anyone wants to make, make sure to never set foot on any commercial airliner outside of Canada. I'm talking about the KLM's, Lufthansa's, Emirates, Qatar's, Cathay's, SAS, Ethiad, and the countless other airlines that also have some extremely skilled commanders irrelevant to the navajo or king air pic in their logbook. Also look at how many airlines out there are presently hiring 705 f/o's for simply having multi crew, glass cockpit, above 10tonnes or 13tonnes mtow experience? For jobs on 320's... 737's... which will lead into their 330's, 777's, 787's... which will lead into their upgrade probably after 5 years after joining. Why? Because it's relevant experience, meanwhile your navajo's and king airs are looked at as a laughing stock. Personally I don't think it's a laughing stock; it's good experience, but in reality it ain't as golden as it's made out to be on home soil. It's only in Canada and perhaps the states where you thrive off that kind of experience and it's not correct. It should be that in order to get on with AC or WJ or Encore, you have relevant experience. The problem is that you need an entry into that relevant experience and in this country there are no entries supporting that. I'll end with this, if you king air captains think you are more qualified for a Q400 F/O job, I invite you to a command assessment course with a 10 year AC 777 FO who is doing the same thing for his/her captaincy, let's see who washes out of their command assessment first. The q400 command assessment on a King air captain, or the f/o with time on type doing command assessment on their type. Then we will repeat the same thing for you, but this time you are dealing with a 4000 hour, 3000 hour Dash time F/O. Both times the F/O's will statistically score a better assessment than you ever could. Why ? I'll leave that as a rhetorical question.

I think I've made my argument clear enough.

Rant away

The problem with your argument is the AC FO probably has the Navajo time you think is worthless. Also the encore matrix grew out of the failure of so many of their candidates attempting the upgrade. If you don't like their policy's dont apply, you'll teach them.

Not necessarily. To make that argument in my opinion is void. Check out rudders post with regards to the hiring spree in the 70's whom are now your Senior Captains. Also, out of an AC class (which you would know if you ever went through one), a very diverse class is unified. A fair ratio of people with no relevant experience are brought in - on the understanding that they have aptitude to learn the job. One of my many good friends at AC is a 767 instructor and has time over advised me that they had people enter at high thousand hour experience with C206 exp that have been in the right place and right time to hold the F/O seats within very few years with the company. So these people came in, flew the EMJ, are now flying across the world to international destinations and will find themselves widebody Captains' within the 10 years of their AC career due to a lot of key factors that are coming up. So if these people can make it, you don't need mpic to do the job as a competent commander. Don't agree? How about all the UAE Cadets at Emirates who will probably find themselves commanders on the 777 or 330/340 fleet in the decade? Last thing they flew were single/multi engine training planes with just a little exposure to a private jet to get "jet" exp.

Canada is backwards and Encore certainly has a part to do with it with this new regional job they are offering, for such ludicrous pay, expecting not only for you to come with a load of irrelevant experience but also fisting themselves in the rear for not hiring properly. I repeat again "Many of the guys and gals simply aren't ready, so we are implementing a matrix." That means, we effed up and should actually of hired relevant experience for a start up airline. If not that, at least people with aptitude to do the job properly. Such a rookie mistake for such a veteran management team. I personally am in no position to even want to go to Encore, I just feel for the people that do and are being owned due to some technicality like incompetent hiring practices. And trust me, the WJ environment isn't a place where aptitude is measured. You have a buddy, you get your recommend, come in, and so long as you can play a version of kumbaya and dance in a circle jerk with the iguana you're considered teal material. I will end with this, how is it that an Encore candidate was PFO'd, and be called back 5 months later for a job direct entry Captain? In this 5 months this individual had a 737 type rating and was flying it, and when asked if he could be considered right seat 737 at mainline instead of Direct Entry Captain at Encore, the iguana told him that he's not qualified for mainline and revoked his application from both? Like I said, kumbaya wasn't sung and the circle jerk wasn't happy enough.

Good Luck Westjet. You have a lot of angry employees who felt the fist of your wonderful CEO when he offered this new Encore idea in an environment where the company was run based on trust and loyalty. He used that against everyone and screwed all of you guys over with Encore's WAWCON and what now sounds like seriously retarded hiring practices. I don't care if you make 100k/yr using your ESP's and overtime, this airline is no longer standing by its core values that it once used to have. As a result, many of your class acts are leaving for better ventures. You seriously need some good luck or good PR to cover the shit show that is about to happen in the next few years with the colour teal on the side of your planes. As far as I'm concerned, a fatal mistake in the Encore world, is a Westjet image.

[bythenumbers]

And trust me, the WJ environment isn't a place where aptitude is measured. You have a buddy, you get your recommend, come in, and so long as you can play a version of kumbaya and dance in a circle jerk with the iguana you're considered teal material.

+1

Initial training is poor and conducted through Flight Safety by instructors unfamiliar with company procedures and SOPs. If they hired for aptitude and upgraded through aptitude and time on type, spent some of their profit on better initial training for everybody and CRM/leadership training for upgrade candidates maybe these situations wouldn't develop.

[sstaurus]

In this 5 months this individual had a 737 type rating and was flying it, and when asked if he could be considered right seat 737 at mainline instead of Direct Entry Captain at Encore, the iguana told him that he's not qualified for mainline and revoked his application from both

Ha. I can't imagine a guy could somehow be qualified for DEC on the Q but somehow not to sit right seat at mainline...

[leftoftrack]

You know Westjet doesn't exist to give you and your buddy's a job right? If your buddy wanted to fly a 737 he should have applied to mainline not encore. WS is spending (rumor) $29 million / airframe on the Q's giving them the right to ask for any type of experience they want. The good news is you can vote against these requirements by not submitting your application.

[HB777LW]

You know Westjet doesn't exist to give you and your buddy's a job right? If your buddy wanted to fly a 737 he should have applied to mainline not encore. WS is spending (rumor) $29 million / airframe on the Q's giving them the right to ask for any type of experience they want. The good news is you can vote against these requirements by not submitting your application.

Leftoftrack, I respect your opinion on people like minded like I, that want to end up at Encore or Mainline. Personally, I don't want to end up there. I hope my message is clear in that I feel for the people that deserve to be there, but aren't (at least in my opinion). You're absolutely right in saying that WJ/WEN can ask for any type of experience they want. The bigger picture however is that it's not working out for them. You have got to agree that there is something wrong when the iguana PFO's you for a Q400 F/O gig, calls you back 5 months later offering you a Q400 Captain gig, then when you ask about the ability to perhaps be considered right seat 737 instead of Direct Entry Q since you have time on similar type, then having your application revoked due to not meeting the requirements of a 737 gig? Especially when in WJ's history they have been known to hire people with much less exp for that 737 right seat gig. They are probably captains now.

I tell you, that woman is a piece of work, and is highly disrespected around the industry. Perhaps not in the WJ office, but you ask around and you get a good feel for what the iguana's reputation is like. She even has a reputation over here in the sandbox.... Global village I tell you.

Rhetorical Question Alert: Why is it that a 2500 hour pilot with 1000rs on an aircraft with greater than 10tonnes MTOW can end up in a 737NG flying a much trickier job making 12,454USD/month with 2-3 years to upgrade, but can't even qualify to score an interview at Encore? Better yet, how is it that a 737NG first officer can apply to work on the 777/330 fleet at Emirates and find himself upgrading in 5-7 years but doesn't hold the qualifications to go right seat to WestJet Mainline when offered a Direct Entry Q400 gig? How is it that a 4000 hour pilot regardless of jet/turboprop pic or sic can go to Qatar right now and find themselves an Airbus Captain in 2-3 years but can't go to Encore? Once you have a factual response, I will be able to better see your point in this discussion.

It may be at a loss to the company, but the risk is too great to lose the established culture, and there is no shortage of qualified applicants to choose from.

What culture are you speaking of? A culture where flight attendants act like complete moron's and instruct the passengers to say "WHEEEE" on the takeoff roll instead of conducting their silent review should something go southbound? Or is it the culture where the CEO uses your trust and loyalty to the company, and fists it up your rear so far up that it's a grain in your head that you can't let go of? I tell you this, unless you're a brainwashed ISIS-type maniac that believes the bs you're fed, you're not on board with this "culture" that WJ has adopted in the last few years. When your VP of Cultures sends you an email telling FA's to not upgrade their own pilot's to plus seating any more when up until she was hired that was no problem, then you must have a very twisted opinion on what culture is. In comparison, EK captain's travel in their first class suites, and EK F/O's travel in their nice 180 degree lay-flat business class beds when dead heading. A value combined over 20000/ticket if two people were travelling. Yet a bottle of water and plus seating is too much for a min-rest bitch that has just been owned for the last 12 hours as he or she just got off an epic shift with glazed cowboy eye-balls since Shanwick didn't authorize weather deviations. And their NAT contingency plan put them into RA's with other traffic doing the same thing. I do understand what you're saying KK7, I just don't think that WJ culture exists any more.

Here's the "WHEEEE" video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvm_Pnq6kv8

[Krimson]

Wow. I think somebody is a little disgruntled

Comparing people who work at WJ/WJE to ISIS members? ...Really?


You can have your option of self entitlement when you reach a certain number of hours, but fortunately that is not the way it works here in Canada. You may take the jobs out in the sandbox but I think by that point you should know you are leaving the Canadian culture and our industry. The two are not comparable, so I don't know why you keep referencing Asia/Middle East. Personally, there is not enough money in the world to make me give up my life for $$$. Don't care about fast upgrades, or how much bigger my dick got when I moved to work at EK. I think it's pretty sad a bunch of you are sitting around discussing your hatred for one HR lady across the world. Didn't get hired....well maybe there is a reason. Keeping self entitled pilots out of the company and away from the company culture is their prerogative, because "I have X hours, this job is mine" isn't what they are looking for.

You keep mentioning how you don't want to work there but are very emotional about not being able to work there

[eh3fifty]

I agreed with 777's previous post but I can't say I agree with the latest posts.

Krimson, well said.

There is a reason why there are a number of pilots in the Middle East right now that are dreaming of coming back to Canada to take a massive pay cut. It turns out lifestyle is a huge factor in determining where to work. Lifestyle counts for a lot and I think leaving Canada in the hopes of getting a better life (i.e., better pay) is not for most people. The pay is so high in the ME because it's hard to attract pilots to give up their lifestyle in Canada or the US.

Who doesn't want to upgrade to Captain quickly? Just don't forget that being the skipper or flying the biggest/fastest plane doesn't mean you will have the best job/lifestyle.

[HB777LW]

You guys are entitled to your thoughts. Krimson, pointing out something obvious regarding the place is not a representation of my desires for wanting a job at Encore. I feel for guys like you that are job hunting right now but not able to get on at places like Encore. Did I say WJ are ISIS? No. I said that the level of brain wash that is endeavoured is quite common. BS is fed, BS is believed. In one case it's the coolaid, in another case it's a war cry and has nothing to do with WJ. But they are united in believing their own bs. Because westjet is no longer what it used to be, and it's not for the better. So anyone believing that it's a great place to be is a brainwashed individual. Sorry to break it to you. Want wide bodies? Don't have them dangle the WB in front of you as a carrot Mr Encore driver, go to AC and learn how it's done properly. Better yet, some place else.

Who said anything about the discussions of hatred towards the HR lady? Somebody's reputation is a stigma of how they carry themselves. It has nothing to do with who got hired and who didn't. Several of the chaps actually turned down WJ and still had an opinion about the iguana. Your assumptions are priceless Krimon.

I agreed with 777's previous post but I can't say I agree with the latest posts.

Krimson, well said.

There is a reason why there are a number of pilots in the Middle East right now that are dreaming of coming back to Canada to take a massive pay cut. It turns out lifestyle is a huge factor in determining where to work. Lifestyle counts for a lot and I think leaving Canada in the hopes of getting a better life (i.e., better pay) is not for most people. The pay is so high in the ME because it's hard to attract pilots to give up their lifestyle in Canada or the US.

Who doesn't want to upgrade to Captain quickly? Just don't forget that being the skipper or flying the biggest/fastest plane doesn't mean you will have the best job/lifestyle.

You guys are both correct regarding what you preach. But the topic of discussion has nothing to do with lifestyle and location of work. It has everything to do with what qualifications are relative to actually being able to score a job, regardless of location. If some chap can do it overseas, they can do it here. And trust me, the amount of personality and aptitude screening you go through to score these jobs puts WJ's hiring practices in the shitter. So to insinuate the asshole syndrome as the reason that WJ doesn't employ people is completely cowardly of you to say. And for Wj to hold formalities that block you from getting a flying gig like Encore on home soil is really just a detriment to all Canadian pilot's who like you, don't want to leave home. Guys, I'm pointing out a discrepancy that if fixed is in the best interest of all you ... I could careless personally, because paddling in money is something that opens up opportunities to retire at 40 in my vacation home on the coast while you're just able to score your 38k/yr job at Encore. Kaching!

[True North]

You know Westjet doesn't exist to give you and your buddy's a job right? If your buddy wanted to fly a 737 he should have applied to mainline not encore. WS is spending (rumor) $29 million / airframe on the Q's giving them the right to ask for any type of experience they want. The good news is you can vote against these requirements by not submitting your application.

Leftoftrack, I respect your opinion on people like minded like I, that want to end up at Encore or Mainline. Personally, I don't want to end up there. I hope my message is clear in that I feel for the people that deserve to be there, but aren't (at least in my opinion). You're absolutely right in saying that WJ/WEN can ask for any type of experience they want. The bigger picture however is that it's not working out for them. You have got to agree that there is something wrong when the iguana PFO's you for a Q400 F/O gig, calls you back 5 months later offering you a Q400 Captain gig, then when you ask about the ability to perhaps be considered right seat 737 instead of Direct Entry Q since you have time on similar type, then having your application revoked due to not meeting the requirements of a 737 gig? Especially when in WJ's history they have been known to hire people with much less exp for that 737 right seat gig. They are probably captains now.

I tell you, that woman is a piece of work, and is highly disrespected around the industry. Perhaps not in the WJ office, but you ask around and you get a good feel for what the iguana's reputation is like. She even has a reputation over here in the sandbox.... Global village I tell you.

Rhetorical Question Alert: Why is it that a 2500 hour pilot with 1000rs on an aircraft with greater than 10tonnes MTOW can end up in a 737NG flying a much trickier job making 12,454USD/month with 2-3 years to upgrade, but can't even qualify to score an interview at Encore? Better yet, how is it that a 737NG first officer can apply to work on the 777/330 fleet at Emirates and find himself upgrading in 5-7 years but doesn't hold the qualifications to go right seat to WestJet Mainline when offered a Direct Entry Q400 gig? How is it that a 4000 hour pilot regardless of jet/turboprop pic or sic can go to Qatar right now and find themselves an Airbus Captain in 2-3 years but can't go to Encore? Once you have a factual response, I will be able to better see your point in this discussion.

It may be at a loss to the company, but the risk is too great to lose the established culture, and there is no shortage of qualified applicants to choose from.

What culture are you speaking of? A culture where flight attendants act like complete moron's and instruct the passengers to say "WHEEEE" on the takeoff roll instead of conducting their silent review should something go southbound? Or is it the culture where the CEO uses your trust and loyalty to the company, and fists it up your rear so far up that it's a grain in your head that you can't let go of? I tell you this, unless you're a brainwashed ISIS-type maniac that believes the bs you're fed, you're not on board with this "culture" that WJ has adopted in the last few years. When your VP of Cultures sends you an email telling FA's to not upgrade their own pilot's to plus seating any more when up until she was hired that was no problem, then you must have a very twisted opinion on what culture is. In comparison, EK captain's travel in their first class suites, and EK F/O's travel in their nice 180 degree lay-flat business class beds when dead heading. A value combined over 20000/ticket if two people were travelling. Yet a bottle of water and plus seating is too much for a min-rest bitch that has just been owned for the last 12 hours as he or she just got off an epic shift with glazed cowboy eye-balls since Shanwick didn't authorize weather deviations. And their NAT contingency plan put them into RA's with other traffic doing the same thing. I do understand what you're saying KK7, I just don't think that WJ culture exists any more.

Here's the "WHEEEE" video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvm_Pnq6kv8

I have some beautiful lakefront property in Florida I'd love to sell you...

[brooks]

Wow, this got off topic.

If you got rejected from WJ or WJE then apply again, you never know. But don't come on here and

[leftoftrack]

Wow, this got off topic.

If you got rejected from WJ or WJE then apply again, you never know. But don't come on here and

After a post like that I think he need not apply again. Just a guess

[FlyingMonkey]

It never ceases to amaze me how bitter and negative some pilots are. Comparing ISIS and brainwashing to Westjet culture?!? Give me F**King break HD777.
Some people actually want to use this forum for what it's intended for, sharing useful information and helping fellow pilots. Not tyrannical rants from jaded and negative pilots which deviate sooo far from the topic at hand.

[brooks]

Honestly that was the worst rant on an airline I have ever seen on here. Suggestion: read a book about resumes and interviewing.

[lostaviator]

Based on the opinions and rants I'd say Hr is pretty darn good and is doing all a favour by keeping you out for a reason. No one is entitled to a specific job. Meeting the qualifications does not mean you should get the job. If they decide not to spend the money on you after a panel interview (with not just an hr women), internal and external reference checks (maybe your current boss mentioned your bitterness) then it was probably for good reason.

[HB777LW]

I love how you guys think you have it all figured out. Just to set the record straight, I have never applied to Encore or wj and never will. Life is too good over here to even be bothered by it. And if you read the deeper message in my rant you'd realize that I'm actually standing up for your guys' qualifications that aren't being looked at and probably should be, because the type of qualification that is being looked at clearly isn't working out for them. If you see that as an entitlement issue or some indication that I must of interviewed and been pfod then there's clearly a disconnect between what I'm intending to say, and what I'm saying. I've never personally met the iguana to know her or have an impression of her, but have heard enough from guys both pfod and offered the job and guys and gals working in the teal team on what a piece of work she is. And I see the relationship between that and how she selects candidates. Is it working? Nope. I've got to say though, it's been amusing to read your assumptions on here lol.

[aerobod]

The funny thing about the Internet is that anyone can rant about anything, make accusations, relay unsubstantiated and inaccurate information as fact, even though that information has been distributed by a rumour mill that may be a tiny fraction of the membership of the network that the rumours pertain to.

[HB777LW]

You're correct. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I have mine, everyone else has their own. I should of added "Take what I say with a grain of salt" as a caveat so that the amusing reaction of people wouldn't occur.

[lostaviator]

The use of the word iguana to describe someone gives you tons of credibility in my books. it must be nice to have so much free time in your west coast house that you have found the time to acquire a professional designation in human resources as well.

And to put your concern for us to rest... Everything is working out just fine over here.