TG wrote:Some may stop laughting 5 years down the road when they won't be able to renew their pilot licence booklet (due to unpaid medical fees)
There's the crux as I read it. Unpaid fines, perhaps. But we all pay our medical fees, or the MD wouldn't sign you off. The administration fees on the other hand are not enforceable by suspension. The fine print gives CRS the right to relieve you of tax refunds. I suspect this is the route they will go. No legal challenges here. What they ARE counting on, is scaring the majority of you into paying up! I'll continue to stay the course. If the shit hits the fan, I'll seek legal advice from my passengers and if advised to, send the slimy, money sucking, age discriminating, cowardly maggots, a cheque.
Illya
photofly wrote:Thank you for the best belly laugh of the week. One can only admire your faith in Government, and let's disband the TATC: it's clearly not needed because, after all, Transport always checks beforehand.
I've worked on several civil aviation tribunal cases on behalf of pilots contesting check ride failures - it's practically impossible to win - that is once you actually get a hearing and prepare your case which could take a significant amount of time. In the meantime you are without a license.
How hard will you be laughing then? Because I can guarantee your employer won't be....
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Illya Kuryakin wrote: I'll continue to stay the course. If the shit hits the fan, I'll seek legal advice from my passengers and if advised to, send the slimy, money sucking, age discriminating, cowardly maggots, a cheque.
You won't win. And even if you do win you're willing to lose your license for the duration, get legal council to fight your case and put up with all that shit hitting the fan for what?
Did you also take the "you won't win" approach with the "several civil aviation tribunal cases on behalf of pilots contesting check ride failures"? Prophesies can be self-fulfilling.
On the bright side, I am (genuinely) impressed with how much energy you're willing to spend on those few of us who think this is another example of TC over-reach, trying to talk us out of our own folly.
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DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
I was a small part of the process actually. But I had the facts explained to me by ALPA lawyers and then witnessed it in action. As for testing the system...be my guest. Let us know how it turns out.
They can punish you any way they choose, including breaking the law on their side.
Even if you go the route of using the law against them and get a ruling in your favor you are still screwed because they will not pay you anything you have been awarded. It has been over ten years since I won my case and still have not seen one penny of the $250,000.00 I was awarded.
Bottom line is yes you can beat them....but you still lose.
Best advice I can give you all is treat them as more dangerous than a common street criminal...because they are.
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The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
They can punish you any way they choose, including breaking the law on their side.
Even if you go the route of using the law against them and get a ruling in your favor you are still screwed because they will not pay you anything you have been awarded. It has been over ten years since I won my case and still have not seen one penny of the $250,000.00 I was awarded.
Bottom line is yes you can beat them....but you still lose.
Best advice I can give you all is treat them as more dangerous than a common street criminal...because they are.
They are waiting on those uncollected medical fee's across the country before they pay you out.
Cat Driver wrote: It has been over ten years since I won my case and still have not seen one penny of the $250,000.00 I was awarded.
I don't imagine the CBC is your favourite organization, but why don't you try one of the advocacy programs they have? Pretty sure they'd be all over that (especially in an election year) like ugly on a pig. Or CTV. Or Global.
erm... how do you check if you're in arrears or not? I have a history of sometimes paying it (when the collection company rings), sometimes blowing it off... I can't remember if I did last time or not. Can you phone them? If you do, will there be anyone on the other end who knows how to check whether you owe them or not?
This is their stupidest issue. If you could pay them on-line, like you have been able to with every single other money-collecting entity in the known universe since 1999, it wouldn't be such a goddamned hassle. I don't even know HOW to pay the bastards. I wait until the collection guy calls, and pay HIM!
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If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself
Where? I just tried to find how to change my address online, clicked my way through the site and dead ended in the FAQ section. Best I found was a .pdf form I can print and fax.
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The only three things a wingman should ever say: 1. "Two's up" 2. "You're on fire" 3. "I'll take the fat one"
When exactly did the $55 fee start being billed ? Reading the linked information suggests to me that the fee has been around since 1998 but that they only recently started passing the fee onto the pilot directly. I don't get it.
I've only had my license for 3 years and I think my first $55 fee was this year....ironically at a time when I am likely to fly about 3 hours all year. Already paying $120 or so for the medical ( not to mention the fact that the acting MO wants a $50 note from my doctor every 3 months ). Now $55 on top of that is just the icing on the cake.
For those who think $55 gets you "service", I am immediately reminded of the $140 that teachers pay each year to the recently enacted College of Teachers whose only function appears to be cranking out a useless quarterly magazine.
Illya Kuryakin wrote: I'll continue to stay the course. If the shit hits the fan, I'll seek legal advice from my passengers and if advised to, send the slimy, money sucking, age discriminating, cowardly maggots, a cheque.
You won't win. And even if you do win you're willing to lose your license for the duration, get legal council to fight your case and put up with all that shit hitting the fan for what?
$110 a year.
Smart...
While I agree that it sucks to pay this for nothing in return, Rockie's right - you can't even walk into a lawyer's office for $110, never mind the whole loss of income thing...
And for the record - been paying this fee online for a number of years
How many licenses has TC suspended for non payment of the medical fee?
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The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
Tried to pay them the $55 fee via their transact website. Damn thing doesn't even work! Cant even log in. You try to pay it by phone, and you get no answer. Tried to use the automated credit card payment option by phone, and it requires and invoice number...I dont know about you guys, but my friendly letter does not have an invoice number!
Surely, if they want us suckers to pay for this crap they could make it a bit easier!
Forgot to mention, I tried to use H&R block to do my taxes yesterday. They couldnt file anything until the $55 fee was taken care of. Looks like TC is trying harder to kick us in the nuts.
Has COPA ever tried to lobby for the removal of this fee?
There are about 65.000 licences and permits in Canada, if we all contributed one time this $55 fee towards a legal fund of $ 3.500.000 may be we could see some results
We could start a petition on Change.Org or something to see if we can get something done... What say? If someone is interested PM me.. I'll need some help with formulating the petition... I'm sure we can get a few hundred if not thousand signatures from AvCanada...
vanNostrum wrote:Has COPA ever tried to lobby for the removal of this fee?
There are about 65.000 licences and permits in Canada, if we all contributed one time this $55 fee towards a legal fund of $ 3.500.000 may be we could see some results
That would waste $3.5 million dollars (assuming you could get that many people to pitch in) and you would still owe the $55 for the medical fee. The government has every right to charge a fee for services and there is no legal basis for defeating it in the first place. Plus having a fee like that defeated would set an extremely far reaching precedent so it's safe to assume the government would vigorously defend their right to charge it.
$3.5 million hypothetical dollars against the government's resources is laughable.
praveen4143 wrote:We could start a petition on Change.Org or something to see if we can get something done... What say? If someone is interested PM me.. I'll need some help with formulating the petition... I'm sure we can get a few hundred if not thousand signatures from AvCanada...
This government spies on you illegally and makes no apology for it. Do you really think they give a shit about a petition?
