None of us want anything for free, what we want is not to be discriminated against, we want to receive some value for our fee and we want to see something positive result from paying the fee.
What we get is age discrimination, having to pay the fee twice when we hit a certain age. the doctor that examines you does all the work and collects his fee, the giant bureaucracy does it all again! Then the Safety Letter and the AIP are no longer published... We read that none of the recommendations of various coroners and the TSB are adopted by TC, no oversight of any of the transportation industries is happening...
If we do want their pubs, we have to buy the device and pay for the connection service ourselves. Then we pay them the fee and they publish public information.
Cat is correct about Part 91 in the US - a credit card for a certificate (it's NOT a license) and free charts.
Look at the Canadian license booklet - all those stickies and useless sh*t. Who is that supposed to benefit? The bureaucracy only.
What happens in Canada is we accept the banal. Canada really could be the best country in the world, rather than just claiming it is, many on here know it doesn't work well and the government class is corrupt and self-serving, what's wrong with wanting it to be better?
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many on here know it doesn't work well and the government class is corrupt and self-serving, what's wrong with wanting it to be better?
The problem is many on here have no idea of what is wrong with the system because the way it is, is all they know.
And the curve is going down not up.
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You're absolutely correct that there is nothing wrong with wanting it to be better. What is wrong is thinking that withholding a fee and whining about it on the internet is actually doing something to make it better.xsbank wrote:many on here know it doesn't work well and the government class is corrupt and self-serving, what's wrong with wanting it to be better?
Being stupid around airplanes is a capital offence and nature is a hanging judge!
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Maybe all the moral outrage against corrupt government is just a smoke screen for being cheap? We're talking about pilots here after all.5x5 wrote:You're absolutely correct that there is nothing wrong with wanting it to be better. What is wrong is thinking that withholding a fee and whining about it on the internet is actually doing something to make it better.xsbank wrote:many on here know it doesn't work well and the government class is corrupt and self-serving, what's wrong with wanting it to be better?
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I believe we all agree that there are some services that have to be provided by the government and that these have to be funded in a fair, equitable and cost-effective manner. The problem is that this does not exist as the process has been hi-jacked by various groups of crooks to sate their own greed, sense of entitlement, self-aggrandizement, empire building, etc.
These crooks are unaccountable and completely beyond the control of those who do the paying. The result is the current situation in which ordinary working stiffs/taxpayers, not just those involved in aviation, pay far more than they should for what they receive. Naturally those frustrated victims who understand what is happening are righteously angry at being swindled and even more so by having no means to get it under control.
This cartoon sums it up:
These crooks are unaccountable and completely beyond the control of those who do the paying. The result is the current situation in which ordinary working stiffs/taxpayers, not just those involved in aviation, pay far more than they should for what they receive. Naturally those frustrated victims who understand what is happening are righteously angry at being swindled and even more so by having no means to get it under control.
This cartoon sums it up:
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I've never had an issue with fees... In fact I'm a big believer in some fee structure, for example that we should have to shell out a couple of bucks at hospital visits, just to curb the abuse I see there all the time! What I have an issue with is fees for no service!!! Paying this 55$ was fine when I had the AIP updates and the quarterly safety letter... Wasn't crazy about it, but was the cost of doing business. Do I wish I could opt out with a simple check mark on a form? Yeah would be nice, but at least I was getting SOMETHING for my money, and I didn't mind reading the safety letter, and I understood the importance of AIP updates.
After it was discontinued, why am I still paying the fee? That's what pisses me off. TC rakes in what, over 4 million $ from all us with this fee structure? There's the reason why we pay it!!! The are accustomed to their entitlements!!!
Does it even go to TC or does it go into general revenues??? The Government in Ontario had the same scam when it introduced Fish licenses and "Fees" to go into "Wildlife Management"... Wasn't until a few years later, I think it was an Ontario hunting organization discovered it went into the government general revenues and NO increase in funding went to any conservation efforts!!! Same thing with the "tire tax" that was suppose to go to recycling... nope general revenues. Now the "Eco-Disposal" fees" Yep, same thing. Can't wait until this spring when we get out new budget and a nice fat "carbon tax" on fuel to go with that nice "Aviation Fuel" tax we all just welcomed in!!! Lying, scum sucking, douche bags... all of 'em!!!
After it was discontinued, why am I still paying the fee? That's what pisses me off. TC rakes in what, over 4 million $ from all us with this fee structure? There's the reason why we pay it!!! The are accustomed to their entitlements!!!
Does it even go to TC or does it go into general revenues??? The Government in Ontario had the same scam when it introduced Fish licenses and "Fees" to go into "Wildlife Management"... Wasn't until a few years later, I think it was an Ontario hunting organization discovered it went into the government general revenues and NO increase in funding went to any conservation efforts!!! Same thing with the "tire tax" that was suppose to go to recycling... nope general revenues. Now the "Eco-Disposal" fees" Yep, same thing. Can't wait until this spring when we get out new budget and a nice fat "carbon tax" on fuel to go with that nice "Aviation Fuel" tax we all just welcomed in!!! Lying, scum sucking, douche bags... all of 'em!!!
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I think everybody feels the same way about the government in general, but I don't get the rants about money going toward general revenue. All the hundreds of billions of dollars flowing in and out of the government all boil down to just two figures anyway - money coming in and money going out. Who cares if it's TC's department getting it or the big pot? In the end you still pay - or rather your grandkids will.Taiser wrote: Lying, scum sucking, douche bags... all of 'em!!!
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The skill is in plucking the goose so carefully that it will not hiss at you. That's the closest I can remember of that quote which is supposed to describe taxation.
The problem with "General Revenue" is that we've been had. Nobody likes to be screwed or cheated yet the government touts it's latest scheme, be it carbon tax or recycle tax or transit tax and wraps it in the flag and tells us how much the community will benefit blah blah blah then none of the collected tax makes it into the program that is apparently lacking the funds that got them started on the new scheme in the first place. Then the population gets p*ssed off but the protest is so diluted that it just carries on.
I had to pay an "Eco fee" on a stapler that I bought to put up my targets, which meant that the sales tax totalled 18%. 18%! That's as high as European taxes yet I don't get high speed transit, fee-less Medicare or any of the other perks the Europeans get. Here I just get screwed. You can't tell me 18% sales tax is making it into some program to recycle staplers. So I've been screwed and I don't like it. That's exactly the same thing with the hated medical fee, it was collected by justifying a service that we no longer get. If they need the dosh to keep printing sticky pages for that stupid license booklet, maybe they should scrap the medical fee, charge everyone a "license renewal fee" and make it due on Christmas Day? At least it might reflect the cost of whatever it is they do in those giant buildings where they pay all those security guys who make you put the ticket on the dash of your car so you can go in and pay them the fees they demand.
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The problem with "General Revenue" is that we've been had. Nobody likes to be screwed or cheated yet the government touts it's latest scheme, be it carbon tax or recycle tax or transit tax and wraps it in the flag and tells us how much the community will benefit blah blah blah then none of the collected tax makes it into the program that is apparently lacking the funds that got them started on the new scheme in the first place. Then the population gets p*ssed off but the protest is so diluted that it just carries on.
I had to pay an "Eco fee" on a stapler that I bought to put up my targets, which meant that the sales tax totalled 18%. 18%! That's as high as European taxes yet I don't get high speed transit, fee-less Medicare or any of the other perks the Europeans get. Here I just get screwed. You can't tell me 18% sales tax is making it into some program to recycle staplers. So I've been screwed and I don't like it. That's exactly the same thing with the hated medical fee, it was collected by justifying a service that we no longer get. If they need the dosh to keep printing sticky pages for that stupid license booklet, maybe they should scrap the medical fee, charge everyone a "license renewal fee" and make it due on Christmas Day? At least it might reflect the cost of whatever it is they do in those giant buildings where they pay all those security guys who make you put the ticket on the dash of your car so you can go in and pay them the fees they demand.
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I have searched and searched, in all the relative topics but can't seem to find the answer. Maybe there isn't one.
When my CAME grants me another year, stamps my medical, and submits my report...is there a doctor at TC HQ who actually reviews the reports and is double checking my doctors work (I'm talking a successful medical renewal stamped by the doc, nothin more than that...I do get some cases are more complicated). Or is it persons who merely file the paperwork and make sure the t's are crossed and the billing address is correct?
When my CAME grants me another year, stamps my medical, and submits my report...is there a doctor at TC HQ who actually reviews the reports and is double checking my doctors work (I'm talking a successful medical renewal stamped by the doc, nothin more than that...I do get some cases are more complicated). Or is it persons who merely file the paperwork and make sure the t's are crossed and the billing address is correct?
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There is a doc at TC, and they review the CAME submission, I know because I've talked to him, although I think there is more than one. I had a medical stamped by my CAME but TC didn't like something that was filled out wrong and sent me a clarification letter of a follow up they wanted that was as clear as mud!!! I phoned down and talked to the TC doc directly and he told me what he wanted, ran to my regular doc who signed off and I was good to go. Funny thing is they never say it's good or send you an OK letter. I was told "Wait for the bill, if you get it then you know everything is good!" Typical government shit...
