Amateur Built Maintenance Question

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Bede wrote:Part of being a professional is having the judgement to decide what you are qualified to do and what you aren't . I know an engineer and all he does is design industrial greenhouses. Is there a "greenhouse engineering" discipline? No there isn't. A client came to him one day and asked him to design a greenhouse. He read some books, designed the guy a greenhouse, and stamped it. Referral led to referral and now that's all he does.
That is absolutely ridiculous.

So I as a professional AME, should I have the desire to study any trade that requires legal licensing to certify a given task, go and study it and get a real good grasp on it, am all of a sudden qualified to perform tasks at my choosing that only the licensed professional for that discipline is legally required to certify? Again, in my opinion ridiculous.
Bede wrote: Keep in mind, as per the AA, TC can OK anything as long as they feel it is safe. In this case TC felt it was safe for a PEng to stamp a weight and balance.
A local TCCA M&M inspector has no authority to "OK" any contravention of the regulations. There is a lengthy process to go thorough to get this sort of thing done. I've tried this myself with far less black and white issues and was refused each time. I have heard urban myths of TCCA authorizing exemptions to certain requirements, but in my almost 20 years as an aviation professional have never seen it. TCCA's role is to ensure that regulations and standards are followed, not to make calls on contravening them. Police officers don't have the authority to determine which laws to enforce. They have to enforce all of them. Ones that take it upon themselves to say which apply and which don't have neglected the trust given them.

The fix was simple. Have the AME who made the mistake correct the error and if not possible pay for a couple hours labor to have another appropriately LICENSED AME correct it. The law requires it.
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So who designed the aircraft and signed off on the plans that include the original W&B?
Who inspected and certified the prototype met the structural requirements of said plans?

An AME or a PEng?

If I want to design and build a homebuilt from scratch what training, certifications and/or degrees do I need?
If I want to design a certified airplane from scratch what training, certifications and/or degrees do I need?

Just putting out fire with gasoline :mrgreen:

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^ well, I would hope an AERONAUTICAL ENGINEER or a farmer.
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LousyFisherman wrote:So who designed the aircraft and signed off on the plans that include the original W&B?
Who inspected and certified the prototype met the structural requirements of said plans?

An AME or a PEng?

If I want to design and build a homebuilt from scratch what training, certifications and/or degrees do I need?
If I want to design a certified airplane from scratch what training, certifications and/or degrees do I need?
It doesn't matter who designed & signed off the plans. That is not the question here. The question is who has the legal authority to sign off a weight & balance report. That is an AME. That's what the regulations say.
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All this B.S. being passed back and forth here about who should, shall, may sign off a W&B is the best reason I can think of to only deal with amateur built aircraft where I don't have to deal with AME's and very little with T.C. :prayer: :prayer: :prayer:
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Well Cat, i thought i was in the same boat as you. Seems TC's "influence" has permeated MD-RA. I was in contact with them and i thought i asked a fairly simple question and got road blocks instead of answers. Very discouraging when answers are "we don't usually do/like that" as opposed to a yes or no. Last time i checked, the regs are the regs, TC and anyone else shouldn't be regulating on what they think or don't think is prudent, it should be black and white, with a decision backed up by facts in the law and regulations.

As i grow older in this industry i swap my default respect for the be all end all of government, and more towards Cat's side.

To Cat, keep on fighting this crap, you've just got yourself another "soldier"
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Howitzer, if you were trying to deal with the same zombie in the London office of MD-RA I dealt with I can understand your frustration.

These quasi T.C. bureaucracies attract the dumbest knuckle draggers in aviation to management positions.

I no longer even try to appease them and just tell them to go fu.k them self and carry on with what I feel best for me.

The bottom line is if they want to have a go at trying to punish me I will just let them have at it and take me to court.....and lets see how that will go when I plead discrimmination based on the last time T.C. Screwed me around....T.C. ... MD-RA they are all the same at the top.
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I get the feeling from reading this thread that AME is an acronym for " God Complex ".
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Cat Driver wrote:I get the feeling from reading this thread that AME is an acronym for " God Complex ".
No God Complex here. Just a straight reading of the regulations and standards. I don't do things that a pilot or a P Eng is licensed to do, no matter how much I know about a subject. It seems that we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.
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This topic has been split, due to (interesting) thread drift. Carry on here about Amateur maintenance.
Small operator maintenance can be found here: http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 7&t=101641
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