This 1500 hours for copilots in usa

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[timel]

He is such a great guy. Retired but still involved for pilots.
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[Boreas]

So the 'lawmakers' are considering rolling back the 1500h policy? Am I reading that right?

[Liquid Charlie]

You need to know how the "Hill" works down there. It's not Congress as much as it is the lobby groups from the airlines putting pressure on them to relax the laws so they can put cheap labour back in the right seats -- since that legislation was passed many feeder airlines working under fee for service contracts were cancelling flights because they were unable to get qualified people to fill pilot seats -- knocked the shit out of the pilot pool when they started requiring an atp for right seat on 121 (705) aircraft -- maybe it should be required here as well ????

[SuperchargedRS]

This law has stopped US Regional airline WAWCON's from being eroded by 250 hr wannabe's living in their parents basement blinded by SJS and willing to work for ridiculously low wages.

Even before the Colgan crash, the days of a 250hr wonder getting into a airline were long dead.

Both people on that aircraft would not have been effected by the rule change ether.

Regionals still pay crap, I've had some unsolicited offers, one was probably the only 121 jobs that I thought looked fun (twotters on floats in the USVI), however after learning the pay, even with a quick upgrade time, even after 5 years in, compared to the rent, food, gas, etc prices, I would have been living like a bum on that pay.


This is why I'm not a airline pilot, if this was back in the golden days of pan am, the clippers and whatnot, sure, but nowadays I'm happy with a better QOL and pay in the un scheduled IFR world.



As for the restricted "jr" ATP, I think it's a crock of crap, just because you joined the millitary, or mommy and daddy paid for you to go to riddle and get a worthless degree, doesn't mean that your 750hrs somehow equals 1500.

[AuxBatOn]

As for the restricted "jr" ATP, I think it's a crock of crap, just because you joined the millitary, or mommy and daddy paid for you to go to riddle and get a worthless degree, doesn't mean that your 750hrs somehow equals 1500.

I think military pilot training and experience is far superior to any civilian training, hence the reduction in time requirements. How many 750 hours civilian guys fly a 600 000 lbs MTOW aircraft half way across the globe to land in a combat zone?

Not every hour is equivalent and I think this exemption addresses that for military pilots.

[SuperchargedRS]

I've flown with some millitary gues who weren't that great, and some that were.

How about a exemption for folks who flew in AK, or AG, plenty of other be on your game type of jobs.

I realize in these times N America has this millitary hero worship complex going on, but frankly 1500hrs is 1500hrs.

[AuxBatOn]

The training is not the same. Anybody could buy yheir way to a CPL and to 750 hrs. Not so in the military...

The quality of a typical 1500 hrs military type is not the same as a typical 1500 hrs civilian type. Heck, Most fighter pilots will either lead 30 planes packages in war zones or at least a 4-ship integrated into that package with 1000 hrs. You can't do that with a normal civilian progression...

[Shiny Side Up]

The training is not the same. Anybody could buy their way to a CPL and to 750 hrs. Not so in the military...

I'm not so sure about that...

[AuxBatOn]

So, a guy joins the National Guard, gets his wings like any other pilot, is commended for his good flying skills, yet because he got to be President years later, it discredit his service?

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Do the passengers have the right to know

BH

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[Shiny Side Up]

So, a guy joins the National Guard, gets his wings like any other pilot, is commended for his good flying skills, yet because he got to be President years later, it discredit his service?

Come, get off your high horse, tongue in cheek and all. After all, I'm sure having an influential father has had nothing to do with it. But then you of all people should know that all military pilot's ain't equal. I know there's been a large variation in the ones I've flown with, and that includes some fighter guys - one flew so badly, it was really tough to believe there was MIG time in his logbook (1500 hours of it). One might add that, not all military training is equal either, and definitely for some countries having the right father is almost mandatory to get to fly fighters.

On this point, one should note that there's a large possibility that ex-military pilots that might be applying to be airline pilots aren't trained as you see it. In the last few years its become increasingly common for foreign ex military pilots to be over here seeking license conversions and, following that, work. I could pick out countries, which I've seen poorer grade training, but that would hurt too many feelings. But I'll say that for the most part CF personnel have been excellent, Brits have been a mixed bag, Poles seem all to be almost natural born pilots. Germans can't do nothing without "the rules". Russians miraculously overcome gross limitations in their training doctrines to make unusually good sticks.

I agree with you that in general, military training grossly outclasses civilian in most cases, but I wouldn't necessarily say that experience is better hour to hour. Not all of them are flying into combat zones after all. Nor are all of them leading squadrons.

So at the end of it do I think there should be exceptions to hour based rules based upon specific experience? No. The problem is that licenses aren't specific. Pilots, IMHO are required to be generalists.

[Flying Nutcracker]

It's not that the military training is so much better, it's the bar that is set so much higher. And the training is for the job to be done.

Remember the good old days when there used to be harder selection processes at the major's? When the training was much harder and time consuming? Now it's all quick process... "Get to work!"-process. "Make us money!"

And the bar was high for passing the course. Best of the best.