Aussie Looking to Come to Canada

[AlexanderBrown1994]

G'day folks,

My name's Alex and I'm slowly chipping away at my Commercial Pilot License in Australia. I'm still a long way off yet!

There's an allure about Canada that I can't escape, and I've decided to immigrate to your fine country after I complete my CPL in a couple of years.

I know a lot of folks are apprehensive of foreign pilots flying in Canada - as are we in Australia. But I figure it'll be an opportunity to start a new life in a foreign locale. The jobs market in Australia, overall, is stuffed and I don't see it improving soon. Hell, I might love it so much that I don't return to Oz. I'm told that Canadians are lovely people, and I hope that turns out to be true. Plus, I do enjoy the cold weather more than the hot weather.

I'm wondering if any of you can offer an Aussie any advice on finding a first job in Canada. I don't care where, or what aircraft. I'd more than happilly do ramp work if it led to a seat in the cockpit. I'd be coming with around 250TT, 40 ME and 100 Command (those are just estimates). Not sure if it's any help but I'd also have a degree in Political Science from the University of Queensland.

Thanks guys I'm not looking to take your jobs. I want to assimilate into Canadian society and embrace it. As I said, there's been an allure about Canada that I can't get out of my head.

[photofly]

I don't believe anyone has a problem with foreign pilots who come from overseas, get themselves a work permit, and look for jobs like everyone else.

Citizenship and Immigration Canada (http://cic.gc.ca) is the department whose requirements you must satisfy to get a job here. After that you're in the same boat as every other newly qualified CPL and the advice that's given (frequently!) on here applies to you too.

[digits_]

Start getting a work permit right now (if able). The process can take, literally, years, depending on what you apply for.

[Beefitarian]

Word of oil prices going down has not made it there yet, huh?

I'm told that Canadians are lovely people, and I hope that turns out to be true. Plus, I do enjoy the cold weather more than the hot weather.

Ha! Who told you that? We are barbarians. There is a severe lack of civilization here. I have never seen a single shop where you could buy hot meat pies. No lie.

I'm wondering if any of you can offer an Aussie any advice on finding a first job in Canada. I don't care where, or what aircraft. I'd more than happilly do ramp work if it led to a seat in the cockpit.

I suspect it is similar for you as a person born here. Just get a around 100 hours cross country PIC to set yourself apart. Or better yet a couple thousand hours multi, night, turbine, PIC time, write the ATPL test and you might have your choice of company.

[PointyEngine]

Ha! Who told you that? We are barbarians. There is a severe lack of civilization here. I have never seen a single shop where you could buy hot meat pies. No lie.

There's a hippy joint in Whitehorse of all places that sells meat pies, not half bad either - still haven't got the pastry spot on, but a step in the right direction!

From my experience its the TFW who come over, have no intention of remaining here and suck up seasonal jobs are the guys who aren't welcome. As you would have pieced together, often its a joint effort between the company and the employee to get these things approved, they require some "creative" paperwork.

I know a couple guys from NZ/Aussie flying around out west and they love it here, all been 4+ years and pretty settled in. I know of one guy who copped a heap of grief from local guys about being from down under, but being a douche bag it was expected.

[Redneck_pilot86]

I know of one guy who copped a heap of grief from local guys about being from down under, but being a douche bag it was expected.

Is that "Iced Kiwi"?

[GyvAir]

I have never seen a single shop where you could buy hot meat pies. No lie.

Wong's Scottish Meat Pies in downtown Toronto. Can't be beat!

[altiplano]

I'd tend to avoid any of Wong's meat pies, let alone Wong's Scottish meat pies... Doesn't fit. Sounds suspicious.

Anyway, Alex, most will fail... I'm sorry to say that 9 in 10 wannabes won't get work and of the ones that do maybe a quarter will do well with it... If it's still appealing look at the sticky on prune's Canada forum. Pretty much layed out there. But the grass is unlikely to be greener than Aus.

[awitzke]

I met an Aussie who did his CPL up here while he was on a traveling visa. He ended up going back to Aus and converting his license back to Australian. Said he had a few friends who were flying in the north and west. Apparently they area always hurting for good pilots out in the bush. So take a look into that. Go west or north.. I bet you'll find a bush job and at least you're in the warmth VS. cold Canada.

[AlexanderBrown1994]

Anyway, Alex, most will fail... I'm sorry to say that 9 in 10 wannabes won't get work and of the ones that do maybe a quarter will do well with it... If it's still appealing look at the sticky on prune's Canada forum. Pretty much layed out there. But the grass is unlikely to be greener than Aus.

I know a guy with 1,500 hours TT - he was a former instructor of mine back when I was just starting circuits -, who's been in Darwin for over a year, with no work. Even the outback charters, flying singles, except a handful, want 400 hours+ TT. So the grass is definitely not greener (literally too!) over here. At least in Canada, you folks have a hell of a lot more smaller operators that will give consideration to those with low time (at least, what I've read), even if it's only ramp work. In Australia, ramp work is looked down upon like the plague. Do that, and you're stuffed over here. No-one even offers it - it's either, you're in the cockpit or, "no, sorry, come back later".

I suppose my reason for wanting to come to Canada is the variety of work and the idea of starting a new life somewhere.

Also, I'd say that 9 in 10 statistic is valid over here too. It just means that I'm going to have to be part of the 1 in 10 that DOES get work - and that, I intend to do

[pelmet]

Hi Alexander,

I gave this advice to the last Australian on Avcanada who posted about coming to Canada looking for a piloting job so I will repeat it here...

"A few tips to help you fit in...

No more of this "mate" stuff and How ya going. Eh is quite understandable. Save the dude terminology for Americans. Don't be hurt if people think you are from England.

Most of the poisonous living stuff doesn't exist and nothing really hops round here. But watch out for bears and cougars out west.

Definitely do not(I repeat DO NOT) open a container of vegemite while in Canada. It is considered to be extremely offensive and can lead to immediate arrest and deportation. Shrimp on the Barbi is not so popular in these parts. Ask for some prairie oysters instead if you want seafood.

If you head up to Resolute or Cambridge Bay in the cool season, remember to bring at least a windbreaker to go with your Khaki shorts.

If you end up in Quebec, they may have a little trouble understanding your accent but if you repeatedly say 'Speak English' loudly, they will understand you better, especially if followed by "Grenouille" which means hello.

Albertans love to talk about the Trudeau dynasty and strong emphasis on greenpeace issues can be helpful in landing a job in that interview.


You may want to try it as well as your predecessor was able to remain in Canada for a full two weeks prior to deportation. He just could not stay away from the vegemite.

[AlexanderBrown1994]

Hi Alexander,

I gave this advice to the last Australian on Avcanada who posted about coming to Canada looking for a piloting job so I will repeat it here...

"A few tips to help you fit in...

No more of this "mate" stuff and How ya going. Eh is quite understandable. Save the dude terminology for Americans. Don't be hurt if people think you are from England.

Most of the poisonous living stuff doesn't exist and nothing really hops round here. But watch out for bears and cougars out west.

Definitely do not(I repeat DO NOT) open a container of vegemite while in Canada. It is considered to be extremely offensive and can lead to immediate arrest and deportation. Shrimp on the Barbi is not so popular in these parts. Ask for some prairie oysters instead if you want seafood.

If you head up to Resolute or Cambridge Bay in the cool season, remember to bring at least a windbreaker to go with your Khaki shorts.

If you end up in Quebec, they may have a little trouble understanding your accent but if you repeatedly say 'Speak English' loudly, they will understand you better, especially if followed by "Grenouille" which means hello.

Albertans love to talk about the Trudeau dynasty and strong emphasis on greenpeace issues can be helpful in landing a job in that interview.


You may want to try it as well as your predecessor was able to remain in Canada for a full two weeks prior to deportation. He just could not stay away from the vegemite.

Haha that's gold! Ooh, the vegemite might be a problem - I love the stuff!

But, seriously, thank you all for your responses. Bush flying seems excellent and it looks like it would be a hell of a lot of fun - not to mention a distinct challenge from the flat flying we have in Oz.

I know it's going to be difficult to find a job in Canada - the same as over here -, but with more operators there than in Australia, even if I have 1/1000th more of a chance, I'm doing it. As I said, I've always wanted to come to Canada.

Also, I guess, there's a company in Sydney that offers a floatplane rating on a Beaver - roughly 5 hours to comply with CASA's standards, but I could tell the Chief Pilot I need to abide by TC's standards. Would it be worth doing my float training over in Canada, or should I do it here?

Again, thanks for your responses. Already I'm impressed with Canadians and their humour!

[POATC]

Alex,

My advice, FWIW, stop flying now.
Come over here and find a good school to finish your training here. Do an instructor rating with them and impress them every day your there so that when you have finished your training and have spent 20G's with them they give you a job. Get some experience and then see where that takes you.

JG
(immigrant and CPL)

[AlexanderBrown1994]

Alex,

My advice, FWIW, stop flying now.
Come over here and find a good school to finish your training here. Do an instructor rating with them and impress them every day your there so that when you have finished your training and have spent 20G's with them they give you a job. Get some experience and then see where that takes you.

JG
(immigrant and CPL)

JG, I would love to, believe me, I really, really would. Thanks for the advice. I wish I could take it on board. I'd love nothing more than to be waiting at the gate at Brisbane Airport tomorrow, but my financial circumstances and current commitments in Australia (namely my university degree) say otherwise. Otherwise I'd be on the first flight to Ottawa. I know that doesn't sound like I'm keen to come over, but I don't want to throw my uni degree away given I'm almost finished it.

In regards to an Instructor rating, how hard would it be to get my Canadian CFI? My heart's been set on going to the Canadian bush but I'm open to anything.

[Beefitarian]

So there are in theory two places to grab a hot pie for lunch, one in Yellow knife the other in Toronna. Not exactly one on every block.

Marmite is much easier to find than veggimite. Not sure of the difference but I know there is one.

I think you'll do ok, you might even get an actual flying pilot job eventually. Go read the road trip advice in the bush section here. Probably easier than becoming an instructor.

Best of luck.

Edit: easier to obtain the job I mean. Obviously there will typically be more physical labour in the bush.

[AlexanderBrown1994]

So there are in theory two places to grab a hot pie for lunch, one in Yellow knife the other in Toronna. Not exactly one on every block.

I'm loving this banter about pies! It's putting a massive smile on my face

Marmite is much easier to find than veggimite. Not sure of the difference but I know there is one.

*Shudders* Marmite.

I think you'll do ok, you might even get an actual flying pilot job eventually. Go read the road trip advice in the bush section here. Probably easier than becoming an instructor.

Best of luck.

Edit: easier to obtain the job I mean. Obviously there will typically be more physical labour in the bush.

Thanks for the encouragement, Beefitarian. I'm looking forward to a road trip - more so in a foreign country. Physical labour doesn't worry me - I'm willing to do whatever it takes.

[PointyEngine]

Could definitely be worth looking at costs for a float rating or completing your IFR in Canada. In comparison to NZ, A Seneca II was going for $750/hr, compared to half that here (This was in 2010). Float time was a shade over $700/hr, albeit on a C.206. Would have been much cheaper, and more applicable to learn from guys on the west coast who are in the crap everyday. Be mindful that all prices you are quoted exclude tax, even prices in stores exclude tax until you checkout.

[Rowdy]

Low time jobs are muchly lacking here as well. With less than 500hrs its slim pickings, even in the bush. I mean, there is the odd random 'right place right time right person' stories...

[AlexanderBrown1994]

Low time jobs are muchly lacking here as well. With less than 500hrs its slim pickings, even in the bush. I mean, there is the odd random 'right place right time right person' stories...

Slim odds, but I'll take it. The jobs in Australia are nonexistent given the glut of pilots to jobs available. I know supply exceeds demand in Canada too, but with more operators, there's more doors that could open.

[AlexanderBrown1994]

Could definitely be worth looking at costs for a float rating or completing your IFR in Canada. In comparison to NZ, A Seneca II was going for $750/hr, compared to half that here (This was in 2010). Float time was a shade over $700/hr, albeit on a C.206. Would have been much cheaper, and more applicable to learn from guys on the west coast who are in the crap everyday. Be mindful that all prices you are quoted exclude tax, even prices in stores exclude tax until you checkout.

As it happens, I stumbled upon a company in Sydney that offers a 5-hour float rating on a de Havilland Beaver for $3k Australian. I know 5 hours isn't much, but it's SOMETHING. If I were to meet TC's requirements, would this rating transfer to a Canadian CPL?

Or is it just easier to do a float rating in Canada?

[trey kule]

Beef...Simple Simons in Calgary.....lamb with cinnamon meat pies.....They were there last time I was there.
and as to the thread topic....new poster. With the same writing style as previous new poster trolls....Trollsters??

[AlexanderBrown1994]

Beef...Simple Simons in Calgary.....lamb with cinnamon meat pies.....They were there last time I was there.
and as to the thread topic....new poster. With the same writing style as previous new poster trolls....Trollsters??

Some may be trolls but I'm genuinely serious about coming to Canada in the next couple of years.

[trey kule]

Well, then let be the first to wish you all the best . Maybe try and come to Canada initially on the Temporary Foreign Worker program. Lots of Canadian aiviation companies looking.
Guaranteed aviation job and you will bring diversity into the workplace. Something Canadians more than welcome.

[AlexanderBrown1994]

Well, then let be the first to wish you all the best . Maybe try and come to Canada initially on the Temporary Foreign Worker program. Lots of Canadian aiviation companies looking.
Guaranteed aviation job and you will bring diversity into the workplace. Something Canadians more than welcome.

You folks are already living up to your reputation as being the kindest folk on earth! Thanks for the support mate

The TFW program - doesn't that raise ire from Canadian pilots? I want to come out on a legit working visa - I'm pondering residency down the track if I manage to get set up and I love it enough. Which I'm sure I will. Nothing's gonna stop me.

Again, thanks so much for your help! It really means the world to me.

Perhaps I'll run into some of you folks on the drive up north. Listen for a car blasting Sarah McLachlan north out of Vancouver in the late months of next year Because I'm known at the factory where I work as "the guy that likes that Canadian sheila's music".

[Driving Rain]

Good advice Photofly. You'll need to successfully navigate all the hoops that the Gumitup of Canada requires.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/englisH/immigrate/index.asp

My advice on the temporary foreign Workers program is be careful. Many of jobs and the rules are too restrictive do do you any good.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/ ... rogram.asp

BTW once the Trans Pacific Partnership deal gets full steam ahead it will only get worse.http://canadians.org/tpp

In Ontario where I live there is a sheep farm all alone by its self. It's situated near Dryden Ontario on the Trans Canada Highway and is quite successful. https://www.eglifarm.com
They advertised a job for a Shepherd and got no takers. In the entire nation of Canada not 1 shepherd could be found! All job adds go through the Canada Works bureaucracy ....https://www.jobsetc.gc.ca/eng/
Only then could the sheep farm advertise the job offshore. As I recall they got a fellow from Australia. The job came with first class accommodation, a beautiful house on the farm! I used to drive by it daily in the summer so I know, I'd of liked to live there!
I suppose the lesson here is your country has a distinct advantage in sheep agriculture. Some of your best opportunities may reside in exploiting our differences. Best of luck!