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edit - clever post Pelmet, but that partyhas left the current policy of in place, so they are no different. When did the ethnic policy begin anyways?
The other parties actively support this type of program. The current party has left the policy in place because the constitution actually has this racist policy in it. But, there can be active enthusiastic support for racist hiring policies and lacklustre support. Trust me, if there is race/gender based hiring and promotion in the massive federal government civil service, it is against the desires of the present governing party while it will be enthusiastically supported by the others.

We all know that our current government has no time for the CBC while the others will resume previous funding. Check out this recent news article about their "any race except Caucasian" job ad.
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comme ... o-accident

Here is a recent article about the Ontario Liberal party's ad about creating jobs that 8 typical people represented(but no white males). http://www.torontosun.com/2013/07/22/wh ... liberal-ad

Here is a recent article about the Ontario Liberal government tagetting people who "self-identify as a black female" for promotion. I would assume that this includes ORNGE and affects you directly. http://www.torontosun.com/2014/01/16/on ... -promotion

Here is the exact quote for an Ontario job program under the old NDP government in Ontario from 1993 that got a lot of attention at the time for a "director of information technology" (a senior management position) in its JobMart. The ad went as follows:
"The competition [for this position] is limited to the following employment equity designated groups: aboriginal peoples, francophones, persons with disabilities, racial minorities and women."


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YYCAME wrote:You are misreading I think into what I said. I was trying to say there is enormous inequality of opportunity if you are unlucky enough to be born in certain areas of the world, or certain race etc which then directly affects your ability to obtain training, social support, and many other factors which we take for granted. To give an example, if you are growing up as a Syrian refugee right now your chances of getting a good education are probably not as good as the average Canadian so it has nothing to do with racial traits but everything to do with lack of opportunity for one generation being passed down to their children for years to come.
There are certain federal political parties that support the hiring of people based on race. We know which two parties are very much in support of this.

If you don't like the idea of the system assuming that you had more money and therefore more opportunity based on the exclusive factor that you are white, then vote for the party that is not in agreement with this race based system. They can't change the constitution, but they won't encourage racist hiring based quotas like some other parties want to do. like some other parties want to do.

I think the above post says it all. The thanks you get for bringing in a Syrian refugee is that he/she has been discriminated against by you and therefore, their offspring for years to come will get hiring priority over your kids when all qualifications are "equal". And remember, you will be labelled as a racist by the supporters of these two parties if you question the policy.

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I urge you to reconsider your stance of, "White male privilege does not exist", even for a few moments.

Claim: 9/10 Workplace Deaths
Yes, over 90% of workplace deaths are male workers. However, what causes the discrepancy in deaths? The answer is “occupational segregation” – the most hazardous jobs are disproportionately held by men. This stat also includes all races and is not specific to white men.

Claim: 9/10 Combat Deaths
A quick google search returns the following from Statistics Canada’s Canadian Forces Cancer and Mortality Study, which looked at health information for soldiers over a period spanning more than three decades
...those who enlisted in the Canadian Forces between the start of 1972 and the end of 2006 had a 35% lower chance of dying of any cause within those years in Canada than the average person in this country. Among men, the figures showed military members had a 36% lower death rate than the general population over this time, and it was 33% lower for women.
The reason 90% of combat deaths are men is because 90% of the people in combat are men, only 10% are women according to the National Defense website.

Claim: 6 Times the Violence
I don't really know what you're trying to say here, but since we are on the topic of aboriginal people I will refer you to a Statistics Canada survey from 2009.
When comparing Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal people with similar socio-demographic characteristics, the risk of victimization remained 58% higher for Aboriginal people than non-Aboriginal people.
4 Times the Suicide Rate
First Nations youth commit suicide about five to six times more often than non-Aboriginal youth. The suicide rate for First Nations males is 126 per 100,000 compared to 24 per 100,000 for non-Aboriginal males. For First Nations females, the suicide rate is 35 per 100,000 compared to only 5 per 100,000 for non-Aboriginal females. (Canadian Institute of Child Health, 2000)

If you're willing to open you mind and read a little bit more into race relations in Canada, here are some great articles to start with. If it doesn't convince you that maybe white males are privileged just a little bit, then maybe it can at least make you understand why the Canada Employment Equity act was created.

Why We Must Talk About White Privilege
Canada’s race problem? It’s even worse than America’s
White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack
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cncpc wrote:
pelmet wrote:
YYCAME wrote:.....To give an example, if you are growing up as a Syrian refugee right now your chances of getting a good education are probably not as good as the average Canadian so it has nothing to do with racial traits but everything to do with lack of opportunity for one generation being passed down to their children for years to come.
Racial "favouritism" is, unfortunately, well entrenched in government policy in this county.

I know several people from African and middle-eastern countries, who came to Canada with a university degree from their home country courtesy of a well-off family. They still play the race card to their advantage.

Having sat on hiring boards in Nunavut (once was enough!) I can tell you that applications for government jobs are put in one of three piles: Land Claims Beneficiaries, non-native northerners and "others". The third pile never even gets a glance, regardless of qualifications, unless there are no other applicants. The second pile is not looked at either, regardless of qualifications, if there is even one application in the first pile.

This might go a long way toward explaining the pretty dismal performance of the Nunavut government.

Now, if I were an employer I'd have no objection to other employers or governments favouring whoever they like, as long as I'm free to do the same.
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Edited. Way out-of-line.
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aerie wrote:I urge you to reconsider your stance of, "White male privilege does not exist", even for a few moments.

Claim: 9/10 Workplace Deaths
Yes, over 90% of workplace deaths are male workers. However, what causes the discrepancy in deaths? The answer is “occupational segregation” – the most hazardous jobs are disproportionately held by men. This stat also includes all races and is not specific to white men.

Claim: 9/10 Combat Deaths
A quick google search returns the following from Statistics Canada’s Canadian Forces Cancer and Mortality Study, which looked at health information for soldiers over a period spanning more than three decades
...those who enlisted in the Canadian Forces between the start of 1972 and the end of 2006 had a 35% lower chance of dying of any cause within those years in Canada than the average person in this country. Among men, the figures showed military members had a 36% lower death rate than the general population over this time, and it was 33% lower for women.
The reason 90% of combat deaths are men is because 90% of the people in combat are men, only 10% are women according to the National Defense website.

Claim: 6 Times the Violence
I don't really know what you're trying to say here, but since we are on the topic of aboriginal people I will refer you to a Statistics Canada survey from 2009.
When comparing Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal people with similar socio-demographic characteristics, the risk of victimization remained 58% higher for Aboriginal people than non-Aboriginal people.
4 Times the Suicide Rate
First Nations youth commit suicide about five to six times more often than non-Aboriginal youth. The suicide rate for First Nations males is 126 per 100,000 compared to 24 per 100,000 for non-Aboriginal males. For First Nations females, the suicide rate is 35 per 100,000 compared to only 5 per 100,000 for non-Aboriginal females. (Canadian Institute of Child Health, 2000)

If you're willing to open you mind and read a little bit more into race relations in Canada, here are some great articles to start with. If it doesn't convince you that maybe white males are privileged just a little bit, then maybe it can at least make you understand why the Canada Employment Equity act was created.
So because aboriginals kill themselves(and each other by the way) at a very high rate, I should be discriminated against for a job, but not other minorities that don't have high suicide rates. Is this your definition of an open mind?

Dangerous jobs for men. Funny how certain groups never press for equal hiring for sewage workers workers and other tough jobs but want equal pay for the nice cozy jobs and complain that they are underpaid for the supposedly equal work.

And somehow white males have been discriminated against because women were fortunate enough in earlier wars where they were able to avoid conscription specifically because of their gender, while literally millions of privileged white males were slaughtered and were injured horrifically.
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When I apply for jobs in Vancouver I'll say I'm a visible minority, since I am.
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AirMail wrote:
aerie wrote:
ahramin wrote:You're still way ahead of the game, let this one go.
Thank you for this, ahramin. Cisgender heterosexual caucasian men sometimes have difficulty accepting their own privilege and tend to mistake "equality" with "equity". Considering how we treat First Nations people a line at the bottom of a job posting should not be this hard to understand.

And just how do you treat First Nations? Who's we? Granted their treatment years ago was dismal, but that shouldn't fall onto the current populous. The support and programs are in place and exceed those of non First Nations Canadians. For the most part the problems there is not stemmed from how "we" treat them today.
They-we-are still treated dismally.
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gianthammer wrote:The discussion in this thread is next to useless as no Native that I have met would apply to a job after reading these two lines:



>Ability to occasionally lift upto 70Lbs

>Manual.............
You are really, really classy.

There are many great indigenous pilots who post in here. There are literally thousands of pilots and engineers and other airline employees who get a paycheck because they fly into Native communities.

I am glad that your ignorance is very much in the minority, tinyhammer.

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Agreed with previous poster, 5 years in the arctic. Most ramp workers had great work ethic in retarded conditions. No way I would want that job.
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Wasaya could definitely save face and simply state "we are an equal opportunity employer".

However I think people read to much into this. Let them be proud to have their people given an equal opportunity to serve their communities. Half the people who apply to Wasaya are just in it to gain a few hours, whine and complain about everything in the north, and can't wait to move on to Encore or Jazz. The discussion of fairness and equality, we can beat to death, but we are all dealt a different hand in life.
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patchfur wrote:It seems a fairly simple problem. If you are a white pilot don't apply for the position. If, by some miracle, you get hired you will be resented. If a more racially appropriate person comes along, you will be hounded out by whatever means is necessary. Either way you get screwed. They don't want your white maleness so don't go there.

Affirmative action is pitiful. Given that we accept the bullshit that all people are created equal (will a retarded children ever pilot an commercial transport aircraft? How about the man born with no eyes? How about the woman with epilepsy?) why is it reasonable to provide any "corrective adjustment" to people who have had problems?

Syrian refugees had it tough and missed out on an education: too bad sucks to be them. It doesn't matter why. That is exactly how much sympathy my supposed privilege got me while competing for work with white men.

The idea that white men have it easy is laughable. The competition for these jobs is fierce and it is with other white men that we compete, since others are apparently disadvantaged. Anyone who manages to succeed has done it into the teeth of all of these other magically advantaged white men. That warning on the bottom of the job posting is a favor, not a problem.

9/10 workplace deaths. 9/10 combat fatalities. 6 times the violence. 4 times the suicide rate. Nice privilege. I accept my privilege and I laugh at losers who can't accept that their shitty lives are their own fault.

To all the white male normally sexed people in positions of authority: remember these job ads. All things being equal, when given two equally qualified candidates, make sure you hire the one that reflects your culture. Notice how it is a sign of virtue to, all things being equal, to hire people like yourself.
It always amazes me how racists justify being racist, shortly to be followed by the argument that they aren't racist. Or better yet, racist and proud of it.

Really, really pathetic.
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True North wrote:
patchfur wrote:It seems a fairly simple problem. If you are a white pilot don't apply for the position. If, by some miracle, you get hired you will be resented. If a more racially appropriate person comes along, you will be hounded out by whatever means is necessary. Either way you get screwed. They don't want your white maleness so don't go there.

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To all the white male normally sexed people in positions of authority: remember these job ads. All things being equal, when given two equally qualified candidates, make sure you hire the one that reflects your culture. Notice how it is a sign of virtue to, all things being equal, to hire people like yourself.
It always amazes me how racists justify being racist, shortly to be followed by the argument that they aren't racist. Or better yet, racist and proud of it.

Really, really pathetic.
I really couldn't figure out what he was even trying to say or what his point was.
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I don't know what this thread is all about. Seriously. I see Wasaya planes on the daily, and like %90 of the pilots are white. Come to think of it I don't think I've seen an Aboriginal pilot since being up here in NWO. If anything it's GOOD that they will give priority to First Nations pilots. It might be the extra motivation some need to get their license and go get a job at Wasaya. Nothing wrong with that. It's not going to effect you if they hire one FN pilot.
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One of the mandates for Wasaya, if I recall correctly, was to create employment opportunities for people from the "owner communities".

We can examine this for signs of racism, if we want to, but it seems to me that the world would be a better place if corporations in general were able to recognize their social responsibility to provide employment.

My advice would be, if you're qualified, and you really want to be the assistant chief pilot at Wasaya, just go ahead and apply for the position. The reality of the situation is that you will probably not be competing with an aboriginal person for the position, but if you are, so what? Wasaya has had their troubles, but if they could actually find a qualified person from within their member communities to do this job, then more power to them. The whole idea was for this company to provide opportunity for members of their community.

And like it or not, they ARE a "community". Whether you feel that they have segregated themselves, or you feel as though western society at large has segregated them, doesn't matter. People from these communities DO face disadvantages that aren't necessarily their fault as individuals. You could I suppose blame some of the problem on "corrupt leadership", but ask yourself: why should our aboriginal applicant, ostensibly a brother pilot after all, be required to be accountable for that? And if one of them actually manages to go through what it takes to qualify for that position, then you already know that you are dealing with someone who is capable of standing on his own two feet and legitimately deserves a small leg-up over the final hurdle, which is, whether you like it or not, likely to be discrimination. And I feel that the discrimination faced by this individual is actually worse the closer to home he or she tries to get a job.

Personally I would see an aboriginal applicant for this position as a brother (or sister) aviator first, and a visible minority second. And I would, I hope, be able to see clearly enough to realize that a person from one of the communities in question, who was able to overcome his or her disadvantages and actually manage to become an airline transport pilot with the necessary qualifications for this job, is probably NOT an individual who needs your help or your sympathy.

I personally hope they find an aboriginal candidate for this job. For a person "from away" to get this job, it would be just "a job". For a person from an aboriginal community to have this job would serve as an example to other ambitious young people that they don't need to give up. It would fulfil part of the mandate this airline had at the beginning to provide employment to local people.

I wish some of you guys could see that this isn't a slap against "white" people, and that aboriginal people getting good, important jobs can be the beginning of our being able to correct some of the disparity between aboriginal life and our own. We should be willing to encourage this. You complain about "handouts" to people who aren't willing to work. Well a guy from an aboriginal community who has an ATPL and 5000 hours experience ISN'T asking for a handout. If you can help him out a little bit, why wouldn't you?
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GyvAir wrote:I really couldn't figure out what he was even trying to say or what his point was.
Granted, it is rambling and very poorly written but the last paragraph pretty much sums it up;

"To all the white male normally sexed people in positions of authority: remember these job ads. All things being equal, when given two equally qualified candidates, make sure you hire the one that reflects your culture. Notice how it is a sign of virtue to, all things being equal, to hire people like yourself."
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Meh. All I can say is at least they are up front about it. I just wouldn't apply as a white male. Done.

Years ago I worked where it was almost exclusively South Asians. Literally the only two white guys who worked there were the heavy mechanics. They both told me I would never pass the six month union probation because of my ethnicity. Basically it was Punjabi only.

Well I did pass probation, along with one other white person, making the demographic 2 white and 118 South Asian. When I asked the shop steward (who was fairly hostile towards me) why we made it in, he laughed and said that they had miscalculated how many days in we were. So it was simply a mistake that we hadn't been laid off the day before passing probation like so many others. He was honest in that he said they always wrote performance reviews to keep the people they wanted. So much for 'white privilege' there! Ironically it was owned by a Dutch-Canadian family, but the Union held all the functional power with the probation period.

Didn't matter to me though. I knew I wasn't wanted so started looking for another job and was out of there fast as possible. I enjoyed working with quite a few of the people, learned basic Punjabi, and more about their culture in general (still love the food!). But when you aren't wanted, you aren't wanted and it was pretty difficult to be shunned by the majority of my co-workers. I got out about two months later to a far superior job. Their loss, not mine.

In fact this 'playing favorites' did the company no good in the long run. It began to struggle with staying competitive in the market, eventually laid off half its employees, and was in receivership within three years. Parted out and shut down basically.

I wouldn't get too worked up about 'discriminatory' hiring. Chances are you will not enjoy it if you aren't wanted in the first place. Just find a place that places more emphasis on merit rather than background. You will be much happier in my experience...
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True North wrote:
patchfur wrote:It seems a fairly simple problem. If you are a white pilot don't apply for the position. If, by some miracle, you get hired you will be resented. If a more racially appropriate person comes along, you will be hounded out by whatever means is necessary. Either way you get screwed. They don't want your white maleness so don't go there.

Affirmative action is pitiful. Given that we accept the bullshit that all people are created equal (will a retarded children ever pilot an commercial transport aircraft? How about the man born with no eyes? How about the woman with epilepsy?) why is it reasonable to provide any "corrective adjustment" to people who have had problems?

Syrian refugees had it tough and missed out on an education: too bad sucks to be them. It doesn't matter why. That is exactly how much sympathy my supposed privilege got me while competing for work with white men.

The idea that white men have it easy is laughable. The competition for these jobs is fierce and it is with other white men that we compete, since others are apparently disadvantaged. Anyone who manages to succeed has done it into the teeth of all of these other magically advantaged white men. That warning on the bottom of the job posting is a favor, not a problem.

9/10 workplace deaths. 9/10 combat fatalities. 6 times the violence. 4 times the suicide rate. Nice privilege. I accept my privilege and I laugh at losers who can't accept that their shitty lives are their own fault.

To all the white male normally sexed people in positions of authority: remember these job ads. All things being equal, when given two equally qualified candidates, make sure you hire the one that reflects your culture. Notice how it is a sign of virtue to, all things being equal, to hire people like yourself.
It always amazes me how racists justify being racist, shortly to be followed by the argument that they aren't racist. Or better yet, racist and proud of it.

Really, really pathetic.
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Meatservo wrote:One of the mandates for Wasaya, if I recall correctly, was to create employment opportunities for people from the "owner communities".

We can examine this for signs of racism, if we want to, but it seems to me that the world would be a better place if corporations in general were able to recognize their social responsibility to provide employment.

My advice would be, if you're qualified, and you really want to be the assistant chief pilot at Wasaya, just go ahead and apply for the position. The reality of the situation is that you will probably not be competing with an aboriginal person for the position, but if you are, so what? Wasaya has had their troubles, but if they could actually find a qualified person from within their member communities to do this job, then more power to them. The whole idea was for this company to provide opportunity for members of their community.

And like it or not, they ARE a "community". Whether you feel that they have segregated themselves, or you feel as though western society at large has segregated them, doesn't matter. People from these communities DO face disadvantages that aren't necessarily their fault as individuals. You could I suppose blame some of the problem on "corrupt leadership", but ask yourself: why should our aboriginal applicant, ostensibly a brother pilot after all, be required to be accountable for that? And if one of them actually manages to go through what it takes to qualify for that position, then you already know that you are dealing with someone who is capable of standing on his own two feet and legitimately deserves a small leg-up over the final hurdle, which is, whether you like it or not, likely to be discrimination. And I feel that the discrimination faced by this individual is actually worse the closer to home he or she tries to get a job.

Personally I would see an aboriginal applicant for this position as a brother (or sister) aviator first, and a visible minority second. And I would, I hope, be able to see clearly enough to realize that a person from one of the communities in question, who was able to overcome his or her disadvantages and actually manage to become an airline transport pilot with the necessary qualifications for this job, is probably NOT an individual who needs your help or your sympathy.

I personally hope they find an aboriginal candidate for this job. For a person "from away" to get this job, it would be just "a job". For a person from an aboriginal community to have this job would serve as an example to other ambitious young people that they don't need to give up. It would fulfil part of the mandate this airline had at the beginning to provide employment to local people.

I wish some of you guys could see that this isn't a slap against "white" people, and that aboriginal people getting good, important jobs can be the beginning of our being able to correct some of the disparity between aboriginal life and our own. We should be willing to encourage this. You complain about "handouts" to people who aren't willing to work. Well a guy from an aboriginal community who has an ATPL and 5000 hours experience ISN'T asking for a handout. If you can help him out a little bit, why wouldn't you?
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I just wish that people understood the difference between equal opportunity, and equal outcome. Very different. One is a capitalist ideal, the other is a communist ideal.

Being equal opportunity is good for everyone one. But using quotas is an extremely dis-empowering system that destroy the willpower and motivation of the "under-privileged". There's nothing like the question in the back of your mind "did i just get hired because i'm a minority, or because I'm a qualified individual?" And don't say that the former doesn't happen - just look at the SJW outrage at the fact that there are very few women in STEM sectors. Many companies will rush to get women and minorities in their payroll to say "look everyone, we promote equality!" - sometimes to the detriment of standards [NOT ALWAYS]. You can just look at the failure of women in the US Rangers program. Many failed the course on first try, and it was only when standards were lowered that 3 passed. No outrage of very few men in nursing, social sciences, or clerical careers though.

As for racism, well, it goes both ways. And it's also racist to say that you need quota systems so that there is more diversity in a company, because it puts all members of that race in the "we must help them because they don't succeed otherwise" group. Aka generalizing a group as inferior, the very definition of racism.

The good ones always rise to the top. People perform best when they feel valued in their employment and inter-personal relationships. Skill, personality, and work ethic must prevail for our society to thrive - it's how we've done it for millennia until the 1960's. And if you need work in any of those 3 sectors, there's a college course/support group/app for that.

And yes, I am a cisgendered white male scumbag shitlorde who likes to call it like I see it.
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Strobes wrote:I just wish that people understood the difference between equal opportunity, and equal outcome. Very different. One is a capitalist ideal, the other is a communist ideal.

Being equal opportunity is good for everyone one. But using quotas is an extremely dis-empowering system that destroy the willpower and motivation of the "under-privileged". There's nothing like the question in the back of your mind "did i just get hired because i'm a minority, or because I'm a qualified individual?" And don't say that the former doesn't happen - just look at the SJW outrage at the fact that there are very few women in STEM sectors. Many companies will rush to get women and minorities in their payroll to say "look everyone, we promote equality!" - sometimes to the detriment of standards [NOT ALWAYS]. You can just look at the failure of women in the US Rangers program. Many failed the course on first try, and it was only when standards were lowered that 3 passed. No outrage of very few men in nursing, social sciences, or clerical careers though.

As for racism, well, it goes both ways. And it's also racist to say that you need quota systems so that there is more diversity in a company, because it puts all members of that race in the "we must help them because they don't succeed otherwise" group. Aka generalizing a group as inferior, the very definition of racism.

The good ones always rise to the top. People perform best when they feel valued in their employment and inter-personal relationships. Skill, personality, and work ethic must prevail for our society to thrive - it's how we've done it for millennia until the 1960's. And if you need work in any of those 3 sectors, there's a college course/support group/app for that.

And yes, I am a cisgendered white male scumbag shitlorde who likes to call it like I see it.
Bang on brother.

As an aside, I'm surprised that this non-aviation thread has lasted this long.
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Re: White only companies?

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B208 wrote:
Strobes wrote:I just wish that people understood the difference between equal opportunity, and equal outcome. Very different. One is a capitalist ideal, the other is a communist ideal.

Being equal opportunity is good for everyone one. But using quotas is an extremely dis-empowering system that destroy the willpower and motivation of the "under-privileged". There's nothing like the question in the back of your mind "did i just get hired because i'm a minority, or because I'm a qualified individual?" And don't say that the former doesn't happen - just look at the SJW outrage at the fact that there are very few women in STEM sectors. Many companies will rush to get women and minorities in their payroll to say "look everyone, we promote equality!" - sometimes to the detriment of standards [NOT ALWAYS]. You can just look at the failure of women in the US Rangers program. Many failed the course on first try, and it was only when standards were lowered that 3 passed. No outrage of very few men in nursing, social sciences, or clerical careers though.

As for racism, well, it goes both ways. And it's also racist to say that you need quota systems so that there is more diversity in a company, because it puts all members of that race in the "we must help them because they don't succeed otherwise" group. Aka generalizing a group as inferior, the very definition of racism.

The good ones always rise to the top. People perform best when they feel valued in their employment and inter-personal relationships. Skill, personality, and work ethic must prevail for our society to thrive - it's how we've done it for millennia until the 1960's. And if you need work in any of those 3 sectors, there's a college course/support group/app for that.

And yes, I am a cisgendered white male scumbag shitlorde who likes to call it like I see it.
Bang on brother.

As an aside, I'm surprised that this non-aviation thread has lasted this long.
Non aviation? Guess you didn't read the racist job application which brought this topic on.

As for the message you quoted, well said.
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Re: White only companies?

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Strobes wrote:The good ones always rise to the top. People perform best when they feel valued in their employment and inter-personal relationships. Skill, personality, and work ethic must prevail for our society to thrive - it's how we've done it for millennia until the 1960's. And if you need work in any of those 3 sectors, there's a college course/support group/app for that.
I'm quite excited to try out this work ethic app you speak of! Unfortunately, I was too lazy to get past the first page of hits when trying to google it.
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Re: White only companies?

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[quote="SuperchargedRS]
Non aviation? Guess you didn't read the racist job application which brought this topic on.

As for the message you quoted, well said.[/quote]

Sorry, the irony in my voice didn't carry into my post. :smt040
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Re: White only companies?

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What's funny to me is that some of you guys probably started out as co-pilots on King Airs and Beech 1900s for $20,000 dollars a year or less, effectively screwing over anyone else who might have been unwilling to provide professional services for less than a living wage, yet you howl with rage anytime some other pilot has an unfair advantage over you. There's inequality everywhere. This inequality you perceive at least has the laudable virtue of trying to equalize an existing, real inequality. How many of you are flying in the left seat of a turboprop that carries more than 20 people, and are pulling in less than $80,000/year? You're just as bad as a guy who uses some other advantage to get a job. In this case your advantage is that you have a sufficient lack of self-respect and lack of appreciation for good food that you are willing to prostitute yourself for the privilege of your shitty job. At least an Aboriginal person has a good excuse for HIS lack of self-respect.

Hey, when my car gets stolen and they find it full of beer cans, crashed into a tree halfway between here and the reserve, I am the first one to jump to conclusions. The lack of charity here however, is overwhelming. Who cares about this job. Who cares if an Aboriginal-owned airline thinks it might be nice to have one or two aboriginal employees? You guys have been to these communities. You know exactly why they are hoping to find an Aboriginal applicant for this job, at least they admit it. I think there are some people here who would be unwilling to admit the true feelings behind THEIR opinions.
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