WPPA visits ALPA

[bobcaygeon]

WPPA visits Herndon.

Will CBASS get his old ALPA # back?

http://www.wppa.ca/

[beaverguy]

I sure hope he does. As a 15+ year "westjetter" I am tired of not having a more professional group representing the pilots. I've grown tired of the empty promises.

[fish4life]

One problem among other things is ALPA is Very expensive.

[The Raven]

One problem among other things is ALPA is Very expensive.

The dues at ALPA would be peanuts on a Westjet salary ($350,000/year).

[fish4life]

I think it's around 2% of your salary so $7000 for that apparentl salary hardly peanuts.

[AirMail]

I think it's around 2% of your salary so $7000 for that apparentl salary hardly peanuts.

thats almost $20/day. Lets put another spin on this. Dear WestJetters. For just $20 a day you could feed an Encore pilots family with the finest hot dogs, KD and peanuts. Please say no to ALPA and donate to your fellow owners' families today.

[flyer 1492]

There would be a deduction of 1.9% of the pilots wages. On 350,000.00 it would work out to be 6,650/year. Just remember, you can deduct most of it on your income tax.

Flyer

[True North]

I sure hope he does. As a 15+ year "westjetter" I am tired of not having a more professional group representing the pilots. I've grown tired of the empty promises.

I'm curious what those empty promises are, and how will ALPA fulfill them for you?

[Bede]

I sure hope he does. As a 15+ year "westjetter" I am tired of not having a more professional group representing the pilots. I've grown tired of the empty promises.

Then you'll tire of ALPA really fast.

Jazz had great ALPA reps, but I'm not a big fan of sending close to 2% of my salary state side for the big wigs to grease the wheels and hob-nob with union friendly politicians.

[Legacy]

350k, that's funny. Try 150k so about 2700 a year

[The Raven]

350k, that's funny. Try 150k so about 2700 a year

Sorry, my bad. It wasn't $350,000 but $315,000. According to reports on the CBC anyway.

[beaverguy]

I sure hope he does. As a 15+ year "westjetter" I am tired of not having a more professional group representing the pilots. I've grown tired of the empty promises.

I'm curious what those empty promises are, and how will ALPA fulfill them for you?

I'm not going to get into all of it on a public forum. However, approximately 100 days have passed since "the vote" and the only information put out by the current association is a survey on the golf tournament. Time to leave the grad council behind. I share this opinion with more than a few.

[jjj]

I'm not going to get into all of it on a public forum. However, approximately 100 days have passed since "the vote" and the only information put out by the current association is a survey on the golf tournament. Time to leave the grad council behind. I share this opinion with more than a few.

You are terribly miss-informed. If you honestly believe that no progress has been accomplished then you have either been on holidays for a 100 days or you have difficulty operating a keyboard and mouse. For your enlightenment - the matter is being discussed on our Pilot association forum.

I encourage all to focus their arguments through the aformentioned site - nothing will get accomplished on here. (No offence AVCANADA - this is a complex internal matter.)

JJJ

[rudder]

For the high income earners with a last dollar earned marginal tax rate of 40-49% (depending on your province of tax residence) you get a lot of the deducted dues back.

On the ground, ALPA representation is only as good as the local volunteers that decide to fill the plethora of positions that account for the comprehensive structure that is necessary in order to offer effective representation. ALPA is one of the most locally self determining pilot union options available in Canada.

In terms of professional support, ALPA is second to none. Much like an insurance policy, you do not pay much attention to it until you really need it. Technical, legal medical, etc. It is all there.

There is a movement afoot to possibly re-establish a Canadian version of ALPA tied to a strong services agreement with the larger US organization. Perhaps that will assuage the concerns of those that have a problem with a US flag flying over the union office.

[AvExpress]

I sure hope he does. As a 15+ year "westjetter" I am tired of not having a more professional group representing the pilots. I've grown tired of the empty promises.

I'm curious what those empty promises are, and how will ALPA fulfill them for you?

I'm not going to get into all of it on a public forum. However, approximately 100 days have passed since "the vote" and the only information put out by the current association is a survey on the golf tournament. Time to leave the grad council behind. I share this opinion with more than a few.

Whether it's WPPA or ALPA, any form of representation is as good/bad as those representing. And I wouldn't be to surprised if the current WPPA fills most of the ALPA (if there were to be one) rep spots. So in large nothing will really change, this could be good or bad depending on how the majority really feel about the current WPPA. But don't expect a union like ALPA will change things over night, it's all up to you as the pilots and that could really be done as is in-house IMO.

[RustyDeuce]

Disappointing.

The divide is only going to get larger.

Us vs. Them.

[True North]

I'm not going to get into all of it on a public forum. However, approximately 100 days have passed since "the vote" and the only information put out by the current association is a survey on the golf tournament. Time to leave the grad council behind. I share this opinion with more than a few.

Typical.

You stated on this public forum the you are "tired of the empty promises". What are they? Put up or shut up or you are just the stereotypical union propagandist, willing to stir the pot but not prepared to back it up - which means no credibilty.

After forty years of participating in and observing the aviation industry I've learned that without fail, the rabid pro-unionists are always either the weak link - the guys who failed a ride or were bypassed for an upgrade because of their marginal abilities - and cry conspiracy at every turn. Or they are the self interest groups. The guys who live in East Rubberboot and commute to work. Then the company has the audacity to open a new base and actually expect people to live there. These guys start demanding concessions from the company to make it easier to commute. Doesn't matter if it costs the company, it's all about them.

Which one are you beaver guy?

[beaverguy]

I'm not going to get into all of it on a public forum. However, approximately 100 days have passed since "the vote" and the only information put out by the current association is a survey on the golf tournament. Time to leave the grad council behind. I share this opinion with more than a few.

You are terribly miss-informed. If you honestly believe that no progress has been accomplished then you have either been on holidays for a 100 days or you have difficulty operating a keyboard and mouse. For your enlightenment - the matter is being discussed on our Pilot association forum.

I encourage all to focus their arguments through the aformentioned site - nothing will get accomplished on here. (No offence AVCANADA - this is a complex internal matter.)

JJJ

Nope, not misinformed whatsoever. Just read about all the fatigue issues and what is being done about it. Not too much.

[beaverguy]

I'm not going to get into all of it on a public forum. However, approximately 100 days have passed since "the vote" and the only information put out by the current association is a survey on the golf tournament. Time to leave the grad council behind. I share this opinion with more than a few.

Typical.

You stated on this public forum the you are "tired of the empty promises". What are they? Put up or shut up or you are just the stereotypical union propagandist, willing to stir the pot but not prepared to back it up - which means no credibilty.

After forty years of participating in and observing the aviation industry I've learned that without fail, the rabid pro-unionists are always either the weak link - the guys who failed a ride or were bypassed for an upgrade because of their marginal abilities - and cry conspiracy at every turn. Or they are the self interest groups. The guys who live in East Rubberboot and commute to work. Then the company has the audacity to open a new base and actually expect people to live there. These guys start demanding concessions from the company to make it easier to commute. Doesn't matter if it costs the company, it's all about them.

Which one are you beaver guy?

I am none of the above. I've watched this company go downhill with our latest CEO. It's all about $$ now. The shareholder is first. Remember when we looked after employees first, the guest second and the shareholder third? Maybe you haven't been around that long? As for the opening of bases and forcing people to move/commute, that's a whole other can of worms they opened. But I guess you live where your base is. Doesn't affect you so suck it up? Sound about right? We need to start helping each other and working together.

[True North]

I am none of the above. I've watched this company go downhill with our latest CEO. It's all about $$ now. The shareholder is first. Remember when we looked after employees first, the guest second and the shareholder third? Maybe you haven't been around that long? As for the opening of bases and forcing people to move/commute, that's a whole other can of worms they opened. But I guess you live where your base is. Doesn't affect you so suck it up? Sound about right? We need to start helping each other and working together.

I don't work there. Never have. I've been sitting here on the sidelines listening to you guys whine and embarrass yourselves for the last few years. So your CEO is all about $$ is he? You do realize that in his world that means costs and competitive pressures? You're not a mom and pop operation anymore. Get over it.

"But I guess you live where your base is. Doesn't affect you so suck it up? Sound about right?" That is a very telling statement. Sounds like you think people shouldn't have to live at their base and opening new bases shouldn't affect anyone. Sound about right?

You still haven't told us about all the broken promises.

If you seriously think ALPA is going to swoop in and affect your life in any way, other than making you 2% poorer, you're delusional.

[St.Paddy's]

True North,

Your comments are asinine and derogatory. Your a guy sitting on the couch yelling at the T.V telling the guy he shouldn't have swung at that pitch, or the receiver didn't run fast enough for that ball. Your right this is a public forum and your comments describing the individuals who support the union are generalizing nearly 600 pilots that voted yes. That's a very high percentage of lazy and useless pilot's.

Keep yelling at the T.V and divulging your amazing 40 years of experience but from my experience if you don't actually know what's happening and your on a public forum trying to get parties to divulge specifics maybe you should just turn your mute button on for once.

[brooks]

ALPA is exactly what the pilot group doesn't need. If you think 45% was a strong show of support just watch that go up in smoke. If the WJPA just realized the inevitable, that at the current rate of growth there will be a need to have a separate certified representation that has the legal backing necessary for the conpany's commercial pilots to operate safely. An association will eventually not cut it. I think this is a bad move on the part of the WPPA and a step in the wrong direction if certification is what the WPPA is trying to achieve.

[fish4life]

I'm confused why people think a union will make anything better? Also as for bases was anyone "forced" to move? As far as I understand it nobody was forced to move in fact didn't the company offer a very good amount of money to encourage a move? If they were forced then I stand corrected. If the company didn't open up a Toronto base I could almost guarantee you guys would not be getting 767's which I would think is a good thing.

[True North]

True North,

Your comments are asinine and derogatory. Your a guy sitting on the couch yelling at the T.V telling the guy he shouldn't have swung at that pitch, or the receiver didn't run fast enough for that ball. Your right this is a public forum and your comments describing the individuals who support the union are generalizing nearly 600 pilots that voted yes. That's a very high percentage of lazy and useless pilot's.

Keep yelling at the T.V and divulging your amazing 40 years of experience but from my experience if you don't actually know what's happening and your on a public forum trying to get parties to divulge specifics maybe you should just turn your mute button on for once.

Oh dear, I've hurt your feelings.

Whatever.

And your diatribe is meant to what? Insult me? Hurt my feelings? You're (see how I spelled that) wasting your (and that, see the difference?) time and bandwidth. I could not care less what you think of me. If you really want to shut me up, stop saying stupid stuff on the internet that you aren't prepared or capable of backing up. "The company lied to me. They don't care about me anymore. They opened up a new base and now they want me to move." Boo fricken hoo. WestJet is a big airline now, with aspirations to become global. It's a business - BIG business so tighten your sphincter because I'm betting more changes are coming and you don't seem very well equipped to handle them.

Just a couple of short months ago the majority of your pilots voted no to certification but that doesn't seem to matter to you. You and your ilk want to force another vote so you go running off to ALPA. Mom said no so you go ask dad. Do you really not see how incredibly pathetic that looks?

So which are you Paddy? The weak link or entitled?

[True North]

I'm confused why people think a union will make anything better?

You won't get an answer to that, because there isn't one. And you're right, no one was forced to move to a new base. The entitled crowd that will try to tell you different.