Calgary Airport Renamed "Stephen J. Harper International"

[7ECA]

Hard work cures everything - pure bull.

Anyone who has succeeded in business has had something else on there side, and that is LUCK.

Why does one enterprise fail while another succeeds? LUCK.

And you can see this bit of truth in each and every facet of life. Why does one farmer succeed while another fails? LUCK. Joe and Jim purchase the same seed, fertilizer, and equipment, but why at the end of the season had Joe run out of bin space, while Jim is going to the bank asking for more time? LUCK.

[Rookie50]

Hard work cures everything - pure bull.

Anyone who has succeeded in business has had something else on there side, and that is LUCK.

Why does one enterprise fail while another succeeds? LUCK.

And you can see this bit of truth in each and every facet of life. Why does one farmer succeed while another fails? LUCK. Joe and Jim purchase the same seed, fertilizer, and equipment, but why at the end of the season had Joe run out of bin space, while Jim is going to the bank asking for more time? LUCK.

Sometimes its study. A lot of people who were in the same business as me are gone now, because they did not adapt. My business is ruthless because unlike most, the rules are constantly changing.

[Shady McSly]

What's this have to do with changing the name of the Calgary airport?

[single_swine_herder]

There's an old expression I have found to be true .... "the harder I worked, the luckier I got."

[switchflicker]

I used to tell that to my BIL when he (not so lucky guy) would tell me how LUCKY I was to have all these nice things including a nice wife and family. "Yea, it's funny, the harder I work at something, the LUCKIER I get!!"

[MrWings]

A new twist: Rename Harper

https://www.change.org/p/rename-stephen ... al-airport

[digits_]

A new twist: Rename Harper

https://www.change.org/p/rename-stephen ... al-airport

[petey]

That is all.

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[Rockie]

Why do people who make lots of money presume it's because they work harder than people who make less?

This post was in response to an earlier one that assumed Trudeau would implement an "eat the rich" policy that would transfer money from people who worked hard to get it to people who don't have as much because they didn't work as hard.

This kind of drivel disregards the internet billionaires who design an app or software program and live high off it for the rest of their life, and the single mom working three waitressing jobs to keep Kraft Dinner on the table...to name just two examples of where such a mindlessly simplistic generalization fails.

[Meatservo]

Well I have noticed that some people who choose to make a living in "business" and "management" seem to come to a conclusion that those who don't have failed in some way. Some people who are successful in management have a tendency to believe that everyone wants to be like them and as a consequence have a tendency to look down on those whose passions took them elsewhere as somehow not having "made it". It happens that administration can be quite lucrative, since it's no co-incidence that the people who get to decide how much everyone gets paid seem to be the guys who get paid the most. That's the human condition. Most people who are in charge of dividing the pie will find a way to justify giving themselves the biggest slice, even if the guy who made the pie is one of the people who gets less. There are plenty of fields of endeavour that are a lot of work, and very difficult to get into, that simply don't pay as well as others that are not so tough... but just call for a greater tolerance for bullshit, or monotony, or call for sufficient relentless self-promotion that you have to be a special kind of person to have the stomach for it. Not "more" work, but perhaps less palatable work, for sure. Sometimes a lack of any specific passion, other than a passion for personal power, is what pays off best in the end.

Then again, there are some real under-achievers out there, too.

Sorry this doesn't have anything to do with the airport discussion.

[Ypilot]

+ 1 Meatservo, wise words.

[B208]

Hard work cures everything - pure bull.

Anyone who has succeeded in business has had something else on there side, and that is LUCK.

Why does one enterprise fail while another succeeds? LUCK.

And you can see this bit of truth in each and every facet of life. Why does one farmer succeed while another fails? LUCK. Joe and Jim purchase the same seed, fertilizer, and equipment, but why at the end of the season had Joe run out of bin space, while Jim is going to the bank asking for more time? LUCK.

You are half correct. Success requires hard work and luck; or more accurately it requires sustained hard work (tenacity) until the luck breaks your way.

[B208]

Why do people who make lots of money presume it's because they work harder than people who make less?

Well, it might be because, at some point they did. Notable exception is our current PM.

Rubbish. By the way, our current PM is Stephen Harper until the day after tomorrow - but I'm sure you knew that.

Wow, what an erudite and well reasoned response. I happen to be acquainted with a couple of 1%ers, (of the CEO variety, not the SOA variety). I had the pleasure of doing one on one IFR ground schools for them. The one thing that I can tell you is that they worked hard to get where they got; and they worked hard to stay there.
Also, reference your comment about internet billionaires who designed an app and then live high off the hog. That comment really just shows your ignorance. Do you have any idea how hard it is to write and market a successful app? I imagine that world would be quite foreign to someone whose education and flight training were subsidised by the tax payer, and whose pension and current lifestyle continue to be subsidized by the taxpayer. It really is entertaining to watch someone whose entire life has been sheltered hand holding by the government rail against those who actually build the resources upon which that government draws.

[Rockie]

Do you have any idea how hard it is to write and market a successful app?

Never done it, but then I've never plumbed a house, worked a backhoe or waited tables in three different jobs for minimum wage either...do you have a point? How is building an app or writing computer code harder work than anything else? The person who does that has a harder job and works harder than a roofer?

I imagine that world would be quite foreign to someone whose education and flight training were subsidised by the tax payer, and whose pension and current lifestyle continue to be subsidized by the taxpayer. It really is entertaining to watch someone whose entire life has been sheltered hand holding by the government rail against those who actually build the resources upon which that government draws.

What an erudite and well reasoned response. You know nothing about me.

[B208]

Do you have any idea how hard it is to write and market a successful app?

Never done it,

So, you don't know how hard it is. I'll let you in on a little secret. I've done it. It's hard.

[quote="Rockie']You know nothing about me.[/quote]

ROTP, subsidized education; from there to taxpayer funded pilot training, from there to sheltered career and from there to sheltered pension and a job with the taxpayer sheltered flag carrier.

Now, let's dispose of this ridiculous notion that everyone will get an equal outcome in life. Some people are just plain smart and driven. These are the one's that go on to become CEO's and write the those billion dollar apps. And guess what? In doing so, they enable industries that allow slightly less smart and less driven people to make a living. They are the spark plugs that drive our engine, and they deserve the rewards that come with it.
On the flip side, some people are just lazy and stupid. These are the one's that go out and "become addicted" to smack, despite everyone telling them it's a bad idea. These are the women that become single mothers to multiple children of different fathers because they like to party with "bad boys". They add nothing.

[Rockie]

So, you don't know how hard it is. I'll let you in on a little secret. I've done it. It's hard.

So is roofing.

ROTP, subsidized education; from there to taxpayer funded pilot training, from there to sheltered career and from there to sheltered pension and a job with the taxpayer sheltered flag carrier.

Partially correct on one point, dead wrong on everything else. But assuming you were right, do you not think doing any of those things requires effort?

[Shiny Side Up]

You are half correct. Success requires hard work and luck; or more accurately it requires sustained hard work (tenacity) until the luck breaks your way.

The thing is its just never that simple. The formula for getting ahead is way more complex. "Hard work" is a gross oversimplification which if taken literally just keep you on a treadmill. Except you're always getting older and your capacity for working hard in that function during your life is going to decrease. I can't do the things I did when I was twenty, I just don't have that kind of energy, so if I just kept "working hard" I'd technically be slowly falling behind. Some of the hardest working people I know are still at the same stations in life with the same troubles. Probably until they die, and unfortunately the world has no love for them. What most people term "hard work" is a combination of working hard when necessary, working smart to not spend effort where its not going to get you gain, be able to identify where concentration of your effort is going to net the best results and a general improving of efficiency almost continually throughout one's experience. Even that though is not enough to get ahead unless one has the chutzpah to look out for one's self, otherwise there will be endless people who's main skill is to take advantage of your work for their own ends. So in addition you've got to have the constant vigilance to make sure your own interests don't become too much subservient to someone else's.

The latter is where a lot of people find themselves stuck. I'll admit I learned a lot about work the first time I quit a job - and it was one of the things that improved my station the most at the time. Which is counter-intuitive to anyone who is under the impression that they just need to put in that little more effort to get ahead. In fact the main attribute I have that lets me get ahead has been the ability to deliver a "f@ck off" at the right time.

Meatservo's bit about self promotion is also well taken in hand. If one is observant one will notice increasingly the amount of people who advance, in whatever form, mainly due to their ability to promote themselves. Sometimes its a house of cards built on a pile of bullshit, and you can't feel sorry for these people when it crashes down. But you have to take the lesson from them. If you work hard and no one knows about it, don't expect to be rewarded for it. There's an art to making your work turn to benefit you.

And it can't be understated the factor of luck, though most people don't understand the ways they've been lucky, or realize how close they are to sudden and catastrophic failure in their lives. We're fragile creatures after all. Recently someone in my family had a bout with the big C, and something like that can really cause your life to shift gears probably not in the forward direction. There's stuff that no amount of hard work is going to mitigate, and no load of cash gets you out of.

[B208]

You are half correct. Success requires hard work and luck; or more accurately it requires sustained hard work (tenacity) until the luck breaks your way.

The thing is its just never that .........., and no load of cash gets you out of.

OK, I will concede that in addition to hard work and luck, success also takes brains.

[B208]

So, you don't know how hard it is. I'll let you in on a little secret. I've done it. It's hard.

So is roofing.

Done that to; it's not as hard as writing an app. Moreover, pretty much anyone can roof; not everyone can write an app.

This notion that you have that one's income level should be divorced from one's abilities and efforts is just ludicrous. I note, with interest, that you chose not to address the fact that a good many on the 1%ers are responsible for creating the social structure and economic foundation on which we all depend.

ROTP, subsidized education; from there to taxpayer funded pilot training, from there to sheltered career and from there to sheltered pension and a job with the taxpayer sheltered flag carrier.

Partially correct on one point, dead wrong on everything else. But assuming you were right, do you not think doing any of those things requires effort?

The point being Rockie, you never had to worry about your career or paycheque. All you had to do was show up and not screw up. That is a pretty easy life compared to what most go through.

[Rockie]

Eight hours of roofing is physically hard, eight hours of sitting on your ass in front of a computer makes you mentally tired. Maybe you were just better at roofing and that's why you found it easier. However don't equate "ability" to do something as working harder - it isn't.

I also have never said a person's skill at something shouldn't impact their pay. After all I get paid more for my skill than a roofer does, but I also don't think I work harder than he does. I just do something different.

The 1% also are not responsible for our social and economic foundation, the middle class is. And the middle class is the majority who stood up for their rights and decent living/working conditions. Read some history.

And yet again you're farting in the wind thinking you know me. You don't.

[iflyforpie]

To use the app analogy... take a look at Notch... the guy who invented Minecraft. It's a low tech, pixelated, sandbox RPG that involves removing and placing blocks just like Lego... and was little different than tons of similar games that preceded it (and lots of other newer games that are much better than it) other than it caught on like wildfire. He stopped being a creative force in the game soon after it was released... and it sold to Microsoft to the tune of 2.5 billion dollars.

Now he is complaining that his net worth has made him isolated and depressed... while he certainly isn't doing very much for work other than watching his income investments roll in and hopefully making sure his advisor or accountant doesn't rob him blind.

I've said it before and I'll say it again... hard work, smarts, luck, and underhandedness are the four factors of being successful... ... and it's very rare that it is just the first two.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/201 ... r-outburst

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qEEd7J3DBo

[B208]

Eight hours of roofing is physically hard, eight hours of sitting on your ass in front of a computer makes you mentally tired. Maybe you were just better at roofing and that's why you found it easier. However don't equate "ability" to do something as working harder - it isn't

You are not seeing the big picture. Very rarely does ability just blossom on its own. Abilities are gained through hard work. The guy who built the killer app had to spend years learning how to program; you can take my word for it that that is a type of exquisite mental torture. The guy who roofs just had to show up the day after he dropped out of high school and pick up a hammer. Eight hours of coding will leave your brain molten. The funny thing is, that most of the really successful 1%ers do way more than 8 hours of work per day.

After all I get paid more for my skill than a roofer does, but I also don't think I work harder than he does. I just do something different.

Actually Rockie, you did work harder than the roofer. You got educated, and learned how to do something difficult.

The 1% also are not responsible for our social and economic foundation, the middle class is

Nope. You are not thinking big picture. Where do all of the middle class work? In industries created and managed by the 1%. Take an internet billionaire, Zuckerberg for example. How many middle class people work at Facebook, or the other businesses Facebook enabled? The organizational seed that made our society prosperous is found in the 1%. If you remove them the middle class becomes a mob. You want the 1% to contribute? They do. They enable the rest of us. You may think corporations are evil, but they are the method by which this society organizes itself to produce. Other places have tried other models, models where the role of innovation was taken from the 1% and given to government. Those models failed. Read the history of the former USSR.

[Shiny Side Up]

[Rockie]

Big picture B208?

BWAAHAHAHAHAAA! :


My gawd...I think you actually believe what you're saying. Too funny.

[Siddley Hawker]

Any member of the 'middle class' who thinks that Boy Trudeau is going to save his a$$ is delusional. Justin Trudeau - like his daddy before him - has never been, is not now, and if he knows a decent investment banker never will be, a member of the middle class. He is a member of the 1%, no matter how much an aw-shucks kinda guy he appears. He's not a rich as Donald Trump, but he ain't a member of the 99% either.