Air Georgian

[airworthyb]

Ashamed at all?

Why would someone ever want to respond to a comment as antagonistic as yours? What is your aim, you truly want information or you are just trying to be a troll?

There are some people on this forum that are genuinely looking for advice and guidance in their aviation careers, you are not contributing positively to the community.

You are the one that should feel shame.

[1jz]

Sorry for interruption but, to put it in simple terms how much annual income does a f/o get the first year of joining? Including per dimes etc.

[Inverted2]

24/hr? That can't possibly be true. That's the equivalent to what you'd make at McDonalds or Tim Hortons.

[cdnpilot77]

Including per dimes etc.

Count yourself lucky if you're getting dimes....I'm guessing it's more like nickels.

[wx-radar]

Ashamed at all?

Why would someone ever want to respond to a comment as antagonistic as yours? What is your aim, you truly want information or you are just trying to be a troll?

There are some people on this forum that are genuinely looking for advice and guidance in their aviation careers, you are not contributing positively to the community.

You are the one that should feel shame.

First off, I am looking for info on the RJ pay scale if indeed there actually is one. No one seems to post the actual real scale here as with other companies. What is the pay scale as in their contract? Why else would it be so secret if people are genuinely proud to work there? So please post Captain and FO scales.

Secondly,
If you are looking for advice and guidance in your career, are you a private pilot looking to get started?
Here is some advice, it's no secret that this industry has gone down to the dumps, all to make McDonalds wages for a huge responsibility of flying an aircraft with people's lives at stake just to fly a damn jet! You contribute to nothing but helping this profession by having wages go down to the dumps by accepting these crap paying jobs with crap working conditions. If you want a career where u can ever afford to buy yourself a house and support a family STOP accepting these jobs. When the young people start to realize this, wages and working conditions will begin to return to the level they should be.

Now please post the actual pay scales and working conditions as outlined in your "contract" for the RJ operation.

GTAnorth??

[1jz]

Well seriously ppl are interested to know the pay scales in black and white. What's the take home?

[Heisenberg666]

As I have posted here several times, there is no payscale on the CRJ. That may change next year since the union contract expires Dec 31.

[airworthyb]

Why else would it be so secret if people are genuinely proud to work there?

It's not a secret, I think people are just tired of answering questions for people who are too lazy to search. It's common courtesy on forums to lurk a bit before asking questions that have already been addressed. Heisenberg666 can only answer so many times!

are you a private pilot looking to get started?

Nope. Not young, not a pilot, and not looking for unsolicited advice.

[mbav8r]

Crj
Year 1 $58,800

Year 1 $31,080
1900
Year 1 $50,539
Year 1 $29,669
According to Heisenberg, this is not out of date info and there is no context as to how this is formulated. This could be based on 100 hours/mth or 120, who knows, even if it were 80 which is fairly standard it utterly pathetic, add to that the 1900 pays just slightly less, this is one of those times I wish I hadn't bothered to look for the details. Also those 1900 wages are below average to begin with, I made 48,000/ year salary, first year twin turbine captain over 15 fn years ago, what a completely screwed up industry, what a bunch of whores we are.
Also recently found out some retired Jazz captains are flying GGN RJs, this is how much we are whores, I hope I don't run into any of these aholes, I will tell them exactly what I think of them.

[Heisenberg666]

Crj
Year 1 $58,800

Year 1 $31,080
1900
Year 1 $50,539
Year 1 $29,669
According to Heisenberg, this is not out of date info and there is no context as to how this is formulated. This could be based on 100 hours/mth or 120, who knows, even if it were 80 which is fairly standard it utterly pathetic, add to that the 1900 pays just slightly less, this is one of those times I wish I hadn't bothered to look for the details. Also those 1900 wages are below average to begin with, I made 48,000/ year salary, first year twin turbine captain over 15 fn years ago, what a completely screwed up industry, what a bunch of whores we are.
Also recently found out some retired Jazz captains are flying GGN RJs, this is how much we are whores, I hope I don't run into any of these aholes, I will tell them exactly what I think of them.

Its based on a 70 hour minimum.

GGN has not been successful at recruiting anyone from Jazz (though they've tried), so that last part is not true. There were some ex-Jazz/Sky Regional Capts that came to GGN during the start up period on a temporary basis for line indoc, but that only lasted a few months.

[mbav8r]

Are you sure, if so then someone is posting in a non anonymous forum actual names and if this is not true then it hasn't been disputed so far.
I will look into it further before I make further comments on that, for now I retract my statement.

[Inverted2]

No it's true. There are retired Jazz CRJ captains at GGN. I saw one at CAE a few weeks ago.

[rudder]

Crj
Year 1 $58,800

.

My income tax deductions are more than that.......

The last year that I earned less than $60,000 as a Capt was 1990. What does that tell you about the compensation levels at these new CPA carriers?

Congratulations GGN. Please sign the ALPA card when it is placed in front of you.

[fruitloops]

Here's the most up to date information on the regionals that I have - feel free to correct me but I'm pretty sure if you are a new hire this year these are the numbers you are looking at. SKY is the only stand out - the rest are in the same pile other than level of benefits and per diem rates of course.

[fruitloops]

A few more items for comparison added - might not be 100% but send me accurate info and I'll update

[AirMail]

Funny how in the older threads Jazz pilots whined about Encore and GGN lowering the bar, then they go and lower it farther. Great job guys, you still have a industry leading contract... just going the wrong f'ing way.

[goingnowherefast]

Except Jazz has a higher min. hour guarantee than GGN and Encore and thus, the higher base pay. If you want to fly your bag off and get OT, then Encore/GGN is higher paying.

[rudder]

The Jazz pay applies to 37/50/75/78 seat aircraft.

The GGN pay applies exclusively to 50 seat aircraft (CRJ).

The Encore pay applies exclusively to 78 seat aircraft (Q400).

The SKY pay applies exclusively to 73 seat aircraft (EMB175).

[sstaurus]

That encore pay is out of date slightly. You'd now start at 40 as an FO and go from there. Capts ~71. Also 11 GDOs moving to 12 in 2018.

Afaik Sky isn't flat either... They may have no scale but you get 2% annual increases as well as profit sharing.

[Hoov]

Captain pay is off for Encore as well as 4+ years to upgrade. Most people don't do a year.

[fruitloops]

Updated with additional info - thanks people

a-pilot1.JPG (109.04 KiB) Viewed 5423 times

[goingnowherefast]

What does the top of the pay scale look like for Encore and Jazz?

[mbav8r]

Jazz has a 60% match up to 6% of regular salary for ESOP, has been 60% for I believe the last 3 years. Was 100% at one point and gets adjusted annually. Has to be approved by the board, so the match is not guaranteed.
Also has a profit share set up the same as ACs.

[Flips]

Jazz has 12 GDO's a month.

[Shady McSly]

Jazz have hats.