FlyDubai 737 (Rostov-on-Don, RU)

[PropToFeather]

https://www.rt.com/news/336185-boeing-c ... ai-rostov/

Edit: FlightRadar24 data.

Edit 2: Live-updates from RT. Probably going to be the most up-to-date until morning in Canada.

[Teamflyer]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rport.html

Prayers going out

[cncpc]

Something not right in that picture. That light came down at a 45 degree angle.

[Chaxterium]

Something not right in that picture. That light came down at a 45 degree angle.

That's kind of what I thought as well.

[Anticyclone]

Firstly i would like to express my sadness as it s a tragedy for our community, my thoughts are going for FZ981 occupants especially the crew.

What makes me even more upset is that it has a deja-vue taste, remember AA1420 on june 1st, 1999.

A mixture of microburst and a crew fatigue running towards the duty time limit, in the SKY Dubai FZ981 case they have this tendency of regular rostering of return night flights ( minimum of 8-9 red eyes/ month ) where you sign in around 11.00 pm and signout around 11.00 am the following morning.

As a matter of fact all GCC carriers have this crazy rostering methode however there are 1-2 operators that are more or less human they allow layovers on long strechs the others just dont care all that matters is that the A/C comes back to base.

........anyway guys, take care.

[Diadem]

CBC has a video from a security camera showing what is apparently the impact. A lot of commenters on various news sites have said that the plane was obviously on fire before it hit the ground, but it looks like it's just the aircraft's lights; the same thing was reported by witnesses of the Canadian Air Charters Navajo crash, but it was found to be the left (red) position light, and there was no fire before contact with the ground. However, in the video the aircraft appears to come down fast and steep, perhaps even at a 45 degree angle, which definitely isn't in accordance with the official story that it clipped the ground on final because of strong winds.

[brooks]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLBK4YA7JJM

[Chaxterium]

However, in the video the aircraft appears to come down fast and steep, perhaps even at a 45 degree angle, which definitely isn't in accordance with the official story that it clipped the ground on final because of strong winds.

My thoughts exactly. I would think to come down at that angle it's either in-flight break up, or a stall.

[pelmet]

What makes me even more upset is that it has a deja-vue taste, remember AA1420 on june 1st, 1999.

Fatigue had nothing to do with the AA 1420 accident, although it has been used as an excuse unfortunately. As for the recent accident, it is way too early for informed comment as to causes.

[PropToFeather]

That's one thoroughly destroyed plane. An Emergencies' ministry official is saying there was a "jet stream" at the field, which could be a microburst (I can't find the actual interview to confirm)

[GyvAir]

The whole scene reminds me of this Russian 737 accident in November 2013:

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 18&t=92852

[loopa]

How does a modern airliner come down at such a steep angle? I would have thought a micro burst meant you'd stall into the ground, not nose first. Unless they pitched down to recover the stall and came down plummeting into the ground. Can't imagine the last thoughts going through the crews mind sad news indeed. Prayers goes to the families of everyone impacted.

[digits_]

So the news article says there were hurricane like conditions yet surface wind was reported as 230 12G18KT
What was the reason for the previous go-arounds ? Fog ? But visibility was 6km ?

//edit: apparently it is reported as meter/second instead of knots. so that would be roughly 35 kts G 42 kt, quite strong but not hurricane like

[180]

According to the weather data reported by Russian state television, winds at the moment of the crash at an altitude of 500 metres and higher were around 30 metres per second.

So at around 1700' AGL, sustained winds were 58 KTS, or 67 MPH, or 108 KMS.

Category 1 hurricane force winds are sustained winds of greater than 64 KTS, or 74 MPH, or 119 KMS.

[Anticyclone]

What makes me even more upset is that it has a deja-vue taste, remember AA1420 on june 1st, 1999.

Fatigue had nothing to do with the AA 1420 accident, although it has been used as an excuse unfortunately. As for the recent accident, it is way too early for informed comment as to causes.

Hello pelmet,

Regarding AA1420 i wasn t there im just refering to the NTSB report.

As for the FZ accident you re wright its too early however my experience in the region and my friends driving for other major players in the region suggest that fatigue threat is real in this part of the world due to rostering.

[Eric Janson]

How does a modern airliner come down at such a steep angle?

http://aviationknowledge.wikidot.com/av ... c-illusion

Not saying that this is what happened - but this could result in an extreme nose down attitude without stalling the aircraft.

[GyvAir]

2nd camera angle. Seems to corroborate the first video.

[cncpc]

How does a modern airliner come down at such a steep angle?

http://aviationknowledge.wikidot.com/av ... c-illusion

Not saying that this is what happened - but this could result in an extreme nose down attitude without stalling the aircraft.

Yes, good info. Combined with whatever their issue was in the two hour fuel burn thing, if that is accurately reported.

[mijbil]

I read one item today about this that talked about the camera angle(s). If the cameras were T-Bone to the runway then it is a very steep descent angle. However, if they were aligned more with the runway direction say 30 degrees off, then it could give the illusion of a steep descent angle as the airplane flies over and away from the camera.
On the other hand, the pics available show only really small pieces of airplane. I'll be very curious to see what story the black boxes tell.

[GyvAir]

Hardly black box material, but this 3D profile map from ASN of the two approaches shows a very steep final decent.

https://aviation-safety.net/photos/disp ... r=2&kind=G

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[GyvAir]

A lot of commenters on various news sites have said that the plane was obviously on fire before it hit the ground, but it looks like it's just the aircraft's lights

For those still thinking that the plane had to be on fire, here's a similar quality night video of what's supposed to be a 737-800 on approach.

[cncpc]

Hardly black box material, but this 3D profile map from ASN of the two approaches shows a very steep final decent.

https://aviation-safety.net/photos/disp ... r=2&kind=G

ASN.jpg

i'm not getting the 3D ishness of this. Are those lines not simply the tracks over the ground?

What was the two hour circling about?

[GyvAir]

Yeah, the "3D" flight profile rendering is rather lacking. Here's the 2D version of the approaches and first go around.

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[Diadem]

From ASN:

The flight left the holding pattern at 00:28 UTC (03:28 LT) and descended towards Rostov for another attempted approach to runway 22. The aircraft crashed on airport terrain during this attempt. ADS-B data recorded by Flightradar24 show the aircraft descending to an altitude of 1550 feet when it began to climb again at 3 NM (5,6 km) short of the runway. It reached about 3975 feet until the airplane entered a steep descent before impacting airport terrain.

So it aborted the approach, climbed, and then descended, which is even more baffling. My first thought on reading that was that the crew executed a missed approach, saw the runway, and tried to force it down, but commencing the missed approach three miles from the runway and climbing 2500 feet before descending again doesn't fit with that. Even more, it doesn't fit with wind causing the accident.

[Joe Blow Schmo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4m0FcsLnEg

This is, apparently, the ATC recordings. If it's authentic they were holding because of windshear. There are no indications of any problems. At the end of the audio they report in the missed approach on the 2nd approach.