Career move where to go

FAF · Post by **FAF** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:32 pm

Given the choice, where do you suggest I go, Captain on a King Air 200 or FO on an ATR?

What do you guys think.

AuxBatOn · Post by **AuxBatOn** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:24 pm

Like everything in life it depends. In this case, it depends on your objectives (short/middle/long term) as well as your responsibilities outside of work and what these jobs entail in terms of salary, location and advancement.

Nobody but you can answer the question.

Tail-Chaser · Post by **Tail-Chaser** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:55 pm

Depends on how good the ATR gig is.

I'd be inclined to go Captain on the 200 for a little while if both jobs offered similar qualities of life and locations.

FAF · Post by **FAF** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:04 pm

Other factors are almost all equal which is why details weren't posted. Really the question is the MPIC Turbine vs right seat in my book.... then the career later on. I have no idea what I want in 5 or 10 years, maybe big tin, maybe not, home close to every night is nice.

AuxBatOn · Post by **AuxBatOn** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:18 pm

If you don't have preference on any of the factors then any of the jobs will do.

NickyNick · Post by **NickyNick** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:20 pm

ATR, king air time captain time gets you nowhere, airlines consider king air time worthless when hiring, they won't hire me and I have a lot of it !

DanWEC · Post by **DanWEC** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:33 pm

Ignore that last guy, he's well known for being a few putts short of the hole.

What does the upgrade time look like on the ATR? Lots of factors, like what ya have for pic time already, future plans, etc. Neither would be a bad move I'm sure. If it were me, I'd probably go for capt, but that's just me and my current plans. Everyone's are different.

NickyNick · Post by **NickyNick** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:39 pm

DanWEC wrote:Ignore that last guy, he's well known for being a few putts short of the hole.

What does the upgrade time look like on the ATR? Lots of factors, like what ya have for pic time already, future plans, etc. Neither would be a bad move I'm sure. If it were me, I'd probably go for capt, but that's just me and my current plans. Everyone's are different.

Whatever, BE20 capt time is useless, I should know, you have no clue what you're talking about loser.

DanWEC · Post by **DanWEC** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:42 pm

Hilarious! You're right. Nobody at any airlines with King Air time, "Nickynick".
You and your issues are one thing, but don't give bad advice to others.

FAF · Post by **FAF** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:08 pm

DanWEC wrote:Ignore that last guy, he's well known for being a few putts short of the hole.

What does the upgrade time look like on the ATR? Lots of factors, like what ya have for pic time already, future plans, etc. Neither would be a bad move I'm sure. If it were me, I'd probably go for capt, but that's just me and my current plans. Everyone's are different.

Upgrade times are 5-8 years on the ATR. 1000+ PIC no multi PIC.

DanWEC · Post by **DanWEC** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:44 pm

Well, both will advance your career, but in that situation most would likely suggest going capt, unless this is a real no brainer of a company to get in with in the ATR.
Now, forgetting the boring career stuff and logbook columns, what would you personally rather do for the next few years? Become a skipper or do more right seat in a bigger plane?
Good luck either way, sounds mostly like a win-win.

cdnpilot77 · Post by **cdnpilot77** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:53 pm

What kind of flying is it? Is it fuel hauls in the ATR and 24hr medevac in the be20? What's the pay? What's the sked? Are you looking to build your time or get the lifestyle? Which one will suit those and your long term career goals better? There are way too many factors than simply ATR vs. King Air.

And ignore NickyNick, he has been exposed and a few of us know his alter ego. Let's just say credibility is not in his corner.

What do you want for your career and what's your present life situation? If you want honest informed answers, we need more info. Feel free to pm.

fruitloops · Post by **fruitloops** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:43 pm

Congrats on having 2 options!! Lots of considerations - I think it all depends on what's your end game?

If you ultimately want to fly bigger metal, i.e. 737, 320's, 787's, etc. go for the bigger metal, the ATR is good experience for moving on to the next level. Hmm.... 25,000-35,000ish lbs ATR experience vs 6,000+ lbs 200.... Lots of MPIC on a 200 won't get you there as fast in my opinion although it is still possible to progress of course.

If you don't give a crap about the big buses and are happy in the corporate, medevac, etc. worlds, then take the King Air Capt.

altiplano · Post by **altiplano** » Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:24 am

That's a pretty small King Air at 6000 lbs...

Anyway... I'd take the ATR job - unless it's a way shittier deal than the 200 job...

705 airline jobs can be hard to come by, plus they are generally safer, have better training and offer more support ie. dispatch etc... take it if you can.

PROC_HDG · Post by **PROC_HDG** » Fri Apr 22, 2016 7:12 am

If you already have a good chunk of PIC and your ATPL signed off, and you are looking to get to the airlines, take the ATR. Easy.

PROC_HDG

Av8r7 · Post by **Av8r7** » Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:38 am

I've always heard MPIC time is king. And MPIC turbine even better...but that's just me. I know 705 time is also of great value and an ATR is a good machine to have in the logbook. I have no idea what you want to do long term or what companies are involved in the decision.

I have no idea why someone would think king air pic time is useless....if you're not getting a job with lots of king air pic time. Maybe it's not because of your logbook....

FAF · Post by **FAF** » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:47 am

cdnpilot77 wrote:What kind of flying is it? Is it fuel hauls in the ATR and 24hr medevac in the be20? What's the pay? What's the sked? Are you looking to build your time or get the lifestyle? Which one will suit those and your long term career goals better? There are way too many factors than simply ATR vs. King Air.

And ignore NickyNick, he has been exposed and a few of us know his alter ego. Let's just say credibility is not in his corner.

What do you want for your career and what's your present life situation? If you want honest informed answers, we need more info. Feel free to pm.

The flying is charter on the 200, ATR is sched, currently I'm a medevac FO on the King Air, married with children.

North Shore · Post by **North Shore** » Sat Apr 23, 2016 9:12 am

FWIW, I'd take the sched on the ATR. You'll be away from your family enough in this career - don't make it worse by doing on-call charter.

schnitzel2k3 · Post by **schnitzel2k3** » Sat Apr 23, 2016 9:36 am

So, not too many operators I can think of that have a KA/ATR fleet mix except WWA.

So, thinking along those lines (and being unionized) I'd be inclined to jump onto the ATR, fly cushy for a little while (those guys have a great 705 schedule), and then when you want a little above and beyond experience jump onto the 1900 for a year or two in the left seat. WWA is just a waiting game.

If you're ramping onto the 200 then it's worth waiting for the left seat to get your PIC up.

But otherwise, if and when your bid comes up for the ATR I wouldn't hesitate (not even thinking airlines, just comfort). But be forewarned, the 703/04 guys will HATE you, unless you are already respected there.

Have fun.

S.

PropToFeather · Post by **PropToFeather** » Sat Apr 23, 2016 6:41 pm

Given what you've put down here so far, it seems like the ATR, if you're qualified, would be the overall better pick. Stable schedule would let you be back home more consistently, which helps if your kid(s) are on the younger side. Plus, by going ATR, you have the opportunity to get familiarized with 705 lifestyle and whether that's something you'd enjoy (or hate!).

Also, I can't imagine them refusing to let you go left seat BE20 if, after a while, you're deeply and profoundly miserable on the ATR. Unless there is no one that wants the job in the company, and, last I checked, there's always pilots eager to go bigger metal anywhere!

FAF · Post by **FAF** » Mon May 02, 2016 9:26 pm

So I ended up going for the captain gig, the company seems to be more of my type of people, and there will be more variety in the flying, plus the ATR won't be immediate, so it ended up being a much easier decision than I initially thought. Excited and happy to be where I am in aviation.

Thanks to all those that replied.

Ex99guy · Post by **Ex99guy** » Tue May 03, 2016 12:13 am

FAF wrote:Given the choice, where do you suggest I go, Captain on a King Air 200 or FO on an ATR?

What do you guys think.

Just my two cents, but given that choice, I would've applied at McGill to get an MBa. Might as well make money and enjoy life a little bit.

schnitzel2k3 · Post by **schnitzel2k3** » Sat May 07, 2016 1:32 pm

Good move

I read the top wrong, King Air Capt > ATR F/O. King Air F/O < ATR F/, but having said that, ATR spots tend to be cushier in general due to the 705 requirements when it comes to sched and lifestyle.

Multi pic however will generally be seen as being more valuable down the line, and will likely keep you in the left seat making more dough as you move on.

S.

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