Air Nunavut training flight lands wheels up

[bigsky]

Does anyone know if this was an "oopsie" or a mechanical failure?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/air ... -1.3683028

[bobcaygeon]

The props look like they were both feathered with little to no power so I'd say mechanical vs pilot error.

[cncpc]

The props look like they were both feathered with little to no power so I'd say mechanical vs pilot error.

They look like they were Q-tipped in the landing.

[bigsky]

The props look like they were both feathered with little to no power so I'd say mechanical vs pilot error.

Hmmm..I was thinking the opposite..if they were feathered, then the odds of all the blades being bent like that would be less likely. Being a PT6, the blades should stop rotating at first impact if there is no power (feathered).

[bigsky]

The props look like they were both feathered with little to no power so I'd say mechanical vs pilot error.

Just found this
http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/C ... d2016C2656

Pretty well says it all.

[Jimmybuffet]

Regardless if the gear failed to come down or oopsie, it's obvious seeing the props that bent that they were under power when they struck pavement. Half the blades are bent, that takes more than one strike....

[rigpiggy]

Remember not to silence the gear warning if doing flapless landings. Happened before, it will happen again

[pelmet]

Remember not to silence the gear warning if doing flapless landings. Happened before, it will happen again

Good point. Even that is no guarantee. In an embarrassing moment many years back in a retractable Cessna, I was doing a practice forced approach to a farmer's field. There was no way to silence the gear horn without continuously holding a button, so I just told myself to tune it out for now. Then I ended up forgetting about the gear even though the horn was still blaring proving that you can forget to lower the gear even when the obvious horn is sounding as we have seen in one or two videos on-line.

[oldtimer]

Many years ago I was visiting my father in a hospital when he had a roomate who was a Air Traffic Controller at CFB Moose Jaw back when they flew the Harvard (the original piston pounders).
A student was on approach and failed to lower the gear. The tower controller told him on the radio to overshoot but the student continued and landed gear up. Asked why he did not overshoot when commanded, his reply was he could not here tower because of all the noise the horn made.
Two kinds of pilots, those that have and those who are going to.
Nuff said.

[bald seagull]

Occurrence 3 ------------------------
Occurrence No.: A16Q0080 Occurrence Type: ACCIDENT
Class: CLASS 5 Reportable Type:
Date: 2016-07-17 Time: 16:17:00 UTC
Region of
Responsibility:
QUEBEC
Location: CYFB - IQALUIT
Country: CANADA Province: NUNAVUT
Ground Injuries: Fatal: 0 Minor: 0
Serious: 0 Unknown: 0
---------- Aircraft 1 ----------
Registration: C-FCGW Operator: AIR NUNAVUT
Manufacturer: BEECH Operator Type: COMMERCIAL
Model: 200 CARS Sub Part: 704 - COMMUTER
Injuries: Fatal: 0 Minor: 0
Serious: 0 None: 2
Unknown: 0

Occurrence Summary:
C-FCGW, a Beech 200 Super King Air aircraft operated by Air Nunavut Ltd as flight BFF200, was
on a training flight at Iqaluit, NU (CYFB) to upgrade a candidate to captain status. A VFR circuit
was executed to simulate a flapless landing. While in the circuit, the crew experienced an actual
communication failure on COM 1 while two other aircraft were inbound to CYFB. At the end of the
downwind leg, a flap failure was simulated and the crew carried out the appropriate checklist.
However, the landing checklist was not completed and the aircraft landed with the landing gear in
the up position. The crew declared an emergency and evacuated the airplane with no injuries. The
aircraft sustained damage to the belly pod and both propellers.

[NickyNick]

Occurrence 3 ------------------------
Occurrence No.: A16Q0080 Occurrence Type: ACCIDENT
Class: CLASS 5 Reportable Type:
Date: 2016-07-17 Time: 16:17:00 UTC
Region of
Responsibility:
QUEBEC
Location: CYFB - IQALUIT
Country: CANADA Province: NUNAVUT
Ground Injuries: Fatal: 0 Minor: 0
Serious: 0 Unknown: 0
---------- Aircraft 1 ----------
Registration: C-FCGW Operator: AIR NUNAVUT
Manufacturer: BEECH Operator Type: COMMERCIAL
Model: 200 CARS Sub Part: 704 - COMMUTER
Injuries: Fatal: 0 Minor: 0
Serious: 0 None: 2
Unknown: 0

Occurrence Summary:
C-FCGW, a Beech 200 Super King Air aircraft operated by Air Nunavut Ltd as flight BFF200, was
on a training flight at Iqaluit, NU (CYFB) to upgrade a candidate to captain status. A VFR circuit
was executed to simulate a flapless landing. While in the circuit, the crew experienced an actual
communication failure on COM 1 while two other aircraft were inbound to CYFB. At the end of the
downwind leg, a flap failure was simulated and the crew carried out the appropriate checklist.
However, the landing checklist was not completed and the aircraft landed with the landing gear in
the up position. The crew declared an emergency and evacuated the airplane with no injuries. The
aircraft sustained damage to the belly pod and both propellers.

The gear horn wasn't working or they silenced it ? Red lights in the gear handle weren't illuminated either, lights not working ? Multiple warnings when power level is below 80% and all were ignored by training capt and wannabe capt ?

[rigpiggy]

Once silenced, the KA gear horn resets above 80%ish PLA, however on a descent without flaps you may not get enough power to reset..... The horn will also come on, and not be able to be silenced if the flaps are below T/O or Approach. Always do a short final check, Gear, Flaps, Props Lights"cleared to Land".

[co-joe]

the plane had to make a belly landing, which means its wheels didn't help land the plane.

CBC reporter translating directly from Inuktituk to english? Shit, I hate it when the wheels won't help us land.

[GreenBastrd]

Did he pass his ride?

[Nark]

Many years ago I was visiting my father in a hospital when he had a roomate who was a Air Traffic Controller at CFB Moose Jaw back when they flew the Harvard (the original piston pounders).
A student was on approach and failed to lower the gear. The tower controller told him on the radio to overshoot but the student continued and landed gear up. Asked why he did not overshoot when commanded, his reply was he could not here tower because of all the noise the horn made.
Two kinds of pilots, those that have and those who are going to.
Nuff said.

I hate this statement. Have you landed gear up? I haven't.
I'm going to go out on a limb and be so bold and say I'm not going to.
But I don't fly for a company where each check airmen has their own program, nor do we silence gear warnings.
The other two aircraft I constantly have fixed gear, so...

[Cat Driver]

I have done thousands of landings with the gear up, what is the big deal?

[kevind]

But in every case your gear was in the correct position for your landing surface. Where is my gear and were am I landing is your final gear check I believe you have said.

[Cat Driver]

[swordfish]

I have done thousands of landings with the gear up, what is the big deal?

Just as well, .. Landing with the gear down would have been quite a splash...