Citation down North of Kelowna

[Coast-dog]

Terrible news, condolences to all family and friends

[pdw]

So no icing conditions were present in the area at the time?

Nothing of any significance.

Well .. okay ..your post is made 305pm.
FYI there's a radar image publicized for 9:40pm last night shown on CBC 3:45pm today by Chris, of the wx network. Seems there ... if you performed a right turnout at YLW off rwy16 for climbout west could encounter markedly different precip in climb than in the left turnout into a northeast climbout east of Kelowna.

[cncpc]

The 3? I have are
1) was there a strong jet stream or Mountain wave in the Kelowna area those have been known to exceed 3000ft min
2)medical issues
3) did aircraft have inflight structural failure
Note this is not speculation. But?
To his family I was fortunate to have met him 1 once. When he was industry minister. Also he took the time to answer my opposition to the sale of mc Donald Dwettwiller to ALLIANZ. Re sar sat 2 technology it spoke volumes to me about the kind of guy he was. My sincere condolences to his family and to also to the families of all on board.

Jim Prentice was an outstanding Canadian.

[cncpc]

So no icing conditions were present in the area at the time?

Nothing of any significance.

Well .. okay ..your post is made 305pm.
FYI there's a radar image publicized for 9:40pm last night shown on CBC 3:45pm today by Chris, of the wx network. Seems there ... if you performed a right turnout at YLW off rwy16 for climbout west could encounter markedly different precip in climb than in the left turnout into a northeast climbout east of Kelowna.

I spent a fair amount of time sitting in a relative's house at Black Mountain in Rutland this summer and every jet I saw coming of 16 climbed straight ahead and abeam Black Mountain started a climbing left turn for eastern points.

Do we know they departed off 16. The METAR seems to favor 34, no?

[cncpc]

Jim Prentice, former AB premiere, was aboard the plane. RIP to all.

The Star has this report, naming another passenger...

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/201 ... crash.html

[mbav8r]

Just saw an aerial view of the crash site, it appears to have gone in vertical, no trail of debris, just the impact area. I hope there is a CVR and FDR for a hopefully quick report!

[cncpc]

Just saw an aerial view of the crash site, it appears to have gone in vertical, no trail of debris, just the impact area. I hope there is a CVR and FDR for a hopefully quick report!

Doesn't look like much left.

Anybody comment on that last readout 120 knots and -2200 fpm at 4800 feet.

[upup_away]

There has been some nasty weather over Western Canada lately.

A) No it hasn't. Not in CYLW lately.

B) Theres no wx that would cause you to go -2000fpm on a 500. Even on 1 engine.

Was there not a typhoon hitting western BC that day? Looking at the weather didn't seem very nice. Where did you get the-2000fm stat?

[Siddley Hawker]

Where did you get the-2000fm stat?

https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 20161013-0

[co-joe]

Where did you get the-2000fm stat?

https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 20161013-0

Can't imagine a structural failure causing a light descent rate like that although Flightracker isn't always super accurate, physiological issue, TR deploy, SVR TURBC maybe. The picture on CBC looked like the V stab and one H stab survived, not much else.

CBC said pilot and 3 pax. Not sure if that's accurate, don't know of many single pilot jet ops in Canada. Condolences.

['97 Tercel]

There are definitely a number of jets being flown single-pilot in Canada.

[Oscar]

News is reporting the identity of the single pilot, JK. Also the third passenger. Very sad day for everyone.

[oldncold]

Correct re solo pic jet the good thing is these days, Flt safety n Simcom won't issue spic jet to those ( good for all concerned,public and industry alike).that cut their training program. Which brings me to the dark side. As part of any normal investigation of hi profile individuals. One must ask the following? 1) who would gain the most in J.P. Death (due to the political influence and principles he held fast to) and 2 was the aircraft tampered with. Failure to ask these? And eliminate them will always leave the conspiring theorists. To? The out come of the tsb final report. Once again my condolences to the family

[cncpc]

There has been some nasty weather over Western Canada lately.

A) No it hasn't. Not in CYLW lately.

B) Theres no wx that would cause you to go -2000fpm on a 500. Even on 1 engine.

Was there not a typhoon hitting western BC that day? Looking at the weather didn't seem very nice. Where did you get the-2000fm stat?

It in Flight Aware, their last reliable hit, I think.

I thought 120 knots and -2200 fpm gives a strange setup, no? That has to be pretty much power off, doesn't it?

CB?

The RCMP officer said in one of the stories that there were very heavy rains at the time.

Not sure if I have the crash site accurate, but it does seem that from the 7000 foot altitude to the last hit at 4800, he was able to maintain course, or at least roughly.

[cncpc]

Correct re solo pic jet the good thing is these days, Flt safety n Simcom won't issue spic jet to those ( good for all concerned,public and industry alike).that cut their training program. Which brings me to the dark side. As part of any normal investigation of hi profile individuals. One must ask the following? 1) who would gain the most in J.P. Death (due to the political influence and principles he held fast to) and 2 was the aircraft tampered with. Failure to ask these? And eliminate them will always leave the conspiring theorists. To? The out come of the tsb final report. Once again my condolences to the family

From the looks of it, I think this is going to be a difficult investigation. They won't be able to determine if medical factors were involved, everything looks to be in bits.

[cncpc]

Correct re solo pic jet the good thing is these days, Flt safety n Simcom won't issue spic jet to those ( good for all concerned,public and industry alike).that cut their training program. Which brings me to the dark side. As part of any normal investigation of hi profile individuals. One must ask the following? 1) who would gain the most in J.P. Death (due to the political influence and principles he held fast to) and 2 was the aircraft tampered with. Failure to ask these? And eliminate them will always leave the conspiring theorists. To? The out come of the tsb final report. Once again my condolences to the family

With respect, I don't think the political and sabotage investigations are really necessary. Jim Prentice was a moderate conservative who was greatly admired across the political spectrum.

[7dirty7]

Can someone pm me the name of the pilot? Oscar posted jk I hope it's not who I think it is

[pdw]

1st hit is 2min after takeOff doing 160kts at 4000', then 3000' per minute climb to 7000' at 150kt /3min mark. Next/last hit is down to 4800ft at 120kts, 4min after takeoff (the 3 radar hits info on flightaware, plus the take-off time given as 9:32 local).

Average flightaware speed is 130-140kts over the 4 min, which works out to about 8-9 nautical miles flown in that time, yet the distance between the airport to the accident site is 6 nautical miles and approx 1nm mile up. Winds near calm at surface at ylw 9pm local, so ASN "rwy16" info looks possible.

[Bede]

Autopilot fail & subsequent loss of control? SP-IFR, private ops, near vertical impact. Just speculating.

[RatherBeFlying]

Attitude instrument failure not caught in time could do it.

One of the early Citation crashes happened because the pilot had jumped in and got in the air before the gyros had spooled up.