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For anyone interested, next course is April 17th and planned with 20 people.

Cheers
Is there still a course planned for March 27th?
Just want to throw my $0.02 in here... if your end goal is to make a career at mainline, id highly recommend going through an express regional such as Jazz. With the original PML close to exhausted and still much highering to do at AC, your odds from express are much much higher than ots. There's guys at Jazz who have been there for just over a year, maybe a year and a half, who are on course at the end of this March. The key seems to be a degree or some sort of post secondary education - flying hours don't seem to play much of a role in determining who gets hired.

Hope this info helps.
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Blue Side Up wrote:Just want to throw my $0.02 in here... if your end goal is to make a career at mainline, id highly recommend going through an express regional such as Jazz. With the original PML close to exhausted and still much highering to do at AC, your odds from express are much much higher than ots. There's guys at Jazz who have been there for just over a year, maybe a year and a half, who are on course at the end of this March. The key seems to be a degree or some sort of post secondary education - flying hours don't seem to play much of a role in determining who gets hired.

Hope this info helps.
Sorry if my post was confusing, but for those OTS that get an actual in person interview, what is the % of them that are successful and not PFO'd ? Curious if anyone knows.
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Blue Side Up wrote:For anyone interested, next course is April 17th and planned with 20 people.

Cheers
Thanks for that info....I heard it here first!
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Still a March 27th course. Next one is April 17.
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Any OTS hired in the last 3 months? or awaiting for an answer after the interviews?
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flyhighneverdie wrote:Any OTS hired in the last 3 months? or awaiting for an answer after the interviews?
I am OTS and have a medical scheduled for the end of the month. So while not a job offer, getting closer!
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Anyone with the 'We'll contact you within a year' email that still hasn't heard anything? Did I miss an email or are they still plowing through the list. The one year is only a couple of weeks away. Is there anyone at AC I can contact to ask where I'm at?

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No you are not alone. I also got that email and haven't received notice for a video interview.
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You're not alone mate - still waiting patiently! In a few weeks it will have been a year. I am still keeping the faith that AC will eventually get to us and send an invitation!
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My experience is that AC is usually good at keeping people informed. So I still kind of expect to hear at least a 'please wait longer', or reapply. We shall see!
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Just a rumour, but I heard the last class for the summer is in early May with about 8 or 9 people. Classes should resume around October from the sounds of it.
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Looks like 50 new hires total in March... Quite a varied group - a lot of experience.

Several ex RCAF, 20+ year Jazz guys, and a few OTS and other express brand guys with lots of time put in getting here... the few outta Jazz with 2 - 3 years in a seat directly out of flight college have to be counting their lucky stars...
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Yeah I've heard these guys and girls are stepping into some pretty heavy metal right out of the -8 and like you said Alti, three years in aviation.

767 Rouge as an entry level AC spot...

Interesting. Great on them!

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AC has lots of $55k 767 FO's. Even CargoJet pays more....
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rudder wrote:AC has lots of $55k 767 FO's. Even CargoJet pays more....
Pardon my ignorance but AC pays it's guys/gals this "shitshow" starting salary to fly a long haul airliner which a B767 is, to international destinations. FFS, my pension is better than that and I am old and cranky..............
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It is basically a place to get jet time before going overseas now. Most company hiring Canadian pilot overseas will pay more than double that starting salary for widebody and that double factor will continue all the way up to when you are a senior captain making double what an Air Canada one does.
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Funny, I don't see the resignations on the bid from everyone going overseas.

You have to be pretty desperate going to the ME right now and good luck doing a long career in China...

Cathay would be the best expat job for anything beyond a few years IMO right now but they're losing money and probably down to "Z" scale wawcon... and you don't need jet time to go there anyway... You're never going to get NA based so better m explain it to your wife they have to pack up their career and raise your fam in HKG.

Anyways I honestly do hope some take their rating and pack it up, probably help the pay.
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Not everyone chases dollar signs Jean Pierre. I'll take a future in Canada with lower pay than oodles of cash and a life living in China/India/SE Asia/Sandbox etc.
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I think the argument is why these wages have gotten to that in the first place for a widebody "major airline" position. Surely there's a solution and end to this.
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infiniteregulus wrote:I think the argument is why these wages have gotten to that in the first place for a widebody "major airline" position. Surely there's a solution and end to this.
In my opinion, the reasons are:

1. ACPA leadership has given away the farm and sold out everyone south of a widebody or rouge captain seat. They are fckng us and our future while smiling and aggressively selling a management agenda.

2. The apathy and disinterest in the group is astonishing... a lack of critical thinking, meager vote turnouts, selfishness without thought is driving member decisions.

3. The one time we did stand up together and kicked these a-holes to the curb; Harper, Raitt, Rovinescu, the 27, et al conspired and fcked us... now it's the same pricks running it again. Unbelievable... and we are paying them to do it! Short memories.

This job, this profession has been hit hard the past 5 years. Very hard. I hope every prospective new hire following this thread knows AC is still a good job, but it was better. And they want to take more from us and are always actively trying - that's managements job though... it's what they do... the problem is our own union leadership is advancing their own prospects by enabling it. Get here​ with your eyes open and don't sit on the curb and allow it just because you are new... These guys running ACPA right now are the ones that gave away your pension and stuck you with 4 year flat pay. Keep that in mind when you listen to them sell you on what they want to give away next.

Again, only my opinions/observations.
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So the grumblings of AC following WJ down the ALPA road may have some legs to stand on...
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Old fella wrote:
Pardon my ignorance but AC pays it's guys/gals this "shitshow" starting salary to fly a long haul airliner which a B767 is, to international destinations. FFS, my pension is better than that and I am old and cranky..............
2nd year 767 FO pay at UA/DL/AA is approx US$150/hr. AC pays approx C$67/hr. The US FO gets a 16.5% company contribution to pension. At AC it is a max 6% company contribution for second year.

To say that AC has won the lottery when it comes to pilot cost savings vs the International competition is an understatement.
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I condone none of what's happening with AC, BUT, guys with 4.5 years seniority are getting 320 Captain making $185000.
If you like redeyes and Deer Lake :shock:
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BlueSkies12 wrote:I condone none of what's happening with AC, BUT, guys with 4.5 years seniority are getting 320 Captain making $185000.
If you like redeyes and Deer Lake :shock:
Junior Delta MD80 CA NYC has less than one year of service.

1/2 of the 15,000 AA pilots retire over next 9 years. A pilot hired today at AA will be a WB CA in less than 9 years.

The U.S. is light years ahead of Canada in terms of career progression.
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