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[Lateralus]

Yes, if you alter your monthly schedule, your salary will be adjusted up or down by the number of hours changed. Apart from that you're on a salary that includes up to 16 days of work per month, some of which will be overnights.

Yes thats called an hourly wage. What would I know Ive only worked here 5 years.

[NewCommercialPilot]

Lateralus, pull up the pilot agreement on your iPad and search for the word "salary". I count 5 mentions.

Cheers

[NewCommercialPilot]

Additionally, you can go on WestNet, and on the right side of the home page select the My Payroll/Self Service link and on the page that results, scroll down the left side of the page and you will see a section that says "Annual Salary". The number beside that phrase is your salary.

Cheers

[NewCommercialPilot]

But don't feel bad, I only know this because I've worked there 14 years.

[Smitty]

And if you get a letter of employment from westjet (for mortgage applications etc.), it also states salary.

[Arctic84]

But don't feel bad, I only know this because I've worked there 14 years.

We used to be on a salary. It changed to an hourly wage with a minimum guarantee about 2000. So pilots are paid per flight hour.

The agreement might as well be written with invisible ink. The term salary doesn't mean anything.

[aerobod]

It doesn't matter whether a fixed annual salary is paid or an hourly wage, all WestJetters will see either generically referred to as "salary" on their pay stubs.

[Black_Tusk]

But don't feel bad, I only know this because I've worked there 14 years.

14 years, eh?



May I direct you to the following. Posted December 24th 2016.

Hi there. First time poster.

I am trying to make some decisions about career path and airline flying etc. Can someone answer me a question(s) about seniority at Jazz. Specifically, does seniority govern all of the following or are there exceptions. I only ask because some places (like WestJet) I hear they use seniority only for some things. Thank you in advance.

1) Monthly schedule bidding
2) Vacation bidding
3) Recurrent Training Slots
4) Overtime flying

I know that upgrades/equipment and bases are by seniority. Is there anything that isn't by seniority?

Cheers from Thunder Bay.

"because some places (like WestJet) I hear they use seniority only for some things."

What do you mean "you hear?" I thought you worked there for 14 years?

[True North]

What you conveniently and I'm sure quite intentionally left out was the "min" part of his quote. Airlines without a minimum guaranteed credit per day can keep pilots in the hotel away from base for days without paying them. If you're at work, you should be getting paid, no? We aren't talking about "x amount per month." We are talking about "x amount of credits per flight hour." A trip is worth a certain amount of flying credits and those credits add up to a monthly pay cheque. If the company wants to keep me in a hotel for 37hrs that's fine. Don't call it a "day off" though. You can explain to my daughter why daddy gets to spend some of his minimum guaranteed days off in Saskatoon and not at home with her.

Are you trying to tell us that if you have a 37 hour layover, that is considered a "day off"?

I spoke with an Encore pilot a while back about this. They don't do stand ups, instead will fly in late on day, have a full day off then leave in the morning a day and a half later. They don't have min credit days, so they only get a perdiem for that "day off."

This thread is about WestJet not Encore, says it right in the title. PositiveRate27 would like us to believe that WestJet pilots don't get paid while on a layover, which is a crock. It's union propaganda and he doesn't have the balls to come back and admit it. He was hoping that everyone is just as naive and gullible as he is. We aren't.

[Black_Tusk]

Are you trying to tell us that if you have a 37 hour layover, that is considered a "day off"?

I spoke with an Encore pilot a while back about this. They don't do stand ups, instead will fly in late on day, have a full day off then leave in the morning a day and a half later. They don't have min credit days, so they only get a perdiem for that "day off."

This thread is about WestJet not Encore, says it right in the title. PositiveRate27 would like us to believe that WestJet pilots don't get paid while on a layover, which is a crock. It's union propaganda and he doesn't have the balls to come back and admit it. He was hoping that everyone is just as naive and gullible as he is. We aren't.

Ok, so explain it then. On a layover day off, what do you get paid?

[True North]

I spoke with an Encore pilot a while back about this. They don't do stand ups, instead will fly in late on day, have a full day off then leave in the morning a day and a half later. They don't have min credit days, so they only get a perdiem for that "day off."

This thread is about WestJet not Encore, says it right in the title. PositiveRate27 would like us to believe that WestJet pilots don't get paid while on a layover, which is a crock. It's union propaganda and he doesn't have the balls to come back and admit it. He was hoping that everyone is just as naive and gullible as he is. We aren't.

Ok, so explain it then. On a layover day off, what do you get paid?

I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is; WJ pilots work a maximum of 16 days per month and get paid for XX hours per month. I'm not sure what XX is (75? 80? 85?) but it doesn't matter, it amounts to a min guarantee. If you only flew one hour per day you would work for 16 days and acquire 16 hours but still get paid for XX hours. 16 days divided by whatever you get for flying XX hours equals your min guarantee for a day, whether you are sitting in a hotel or at the controls. So, if you spend 24+ hours in a hotel it becomes one of the 16 days worked and you get paid. To really make it simple for you, If you flew to destination on your first day and broke down and spent the next 15 days in a hotel you'd still get paid for flying 16 days, yes?

Of course I'm sure none of this is an issue if the 37 hour layover is in Mexico or Hawaii. It's only an issue if it's in Fort Mac (no offence to anyone from Fort Mac ).

[Arctic84]

I spoke with an Encore pilot a while back about this. They don't do stand ups, instead will fly in late on day, have a full day off then leave in the morning a day and a half later. They don't have min credit days, so they only get a perdiem for that "day off."

This thread is about WestJet not Encore, says it right in the title. PositiveRate27 would like us to believe that WestJet pilots don't get paid while on a layover, which is a crock. It's union propaganda and he doesn't have the balls to come back and admit it. He was hoping that everyone is just as naive and gullible as he is. We aren't.

Ok, so explain it then. On a layover day off, what do you get paid?

You will have to wait for Dick Less Piker to provide the stooge with the appropriate answer.

These things take time to work their way down the union busting colon.

[Black_Tusk]

This thread is about WestJet not Encore, says it right in the title. PositiveRate27 would like us to believe that WestJet pilots don't get paid while on a layover, which is a crock. It's union propaganda and he doesn't have the balls to come back and admit it. He was hoping that everyone is just as naive and gullible as he is. We aren't.

Ok, so explain it then. On a layover day off, what do you get paid?

You will have to wait for Dick Less Piker to provide the stooge with the appropriate answer.

These things take time to work their way down the union busting colon.

This thread is about WestJet not Encore, says it right in the title. PositiveRate27 would like us to believe that WestJet pilots don't get paid while on a layover, which is a crock. It's union propaganda and he doesn't have the balls to come back and admit it. He was hoping that everyone is just as naive and gullible as he is. We aren't.

Ok, so explain it then. On a layover day off, what do you get paid?

I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is; WJ pilots work a maximum of 16 days per month and get paid for XX hours per month. I'm not sure what XX is (75? 80? 85?) but it doesn't matter, it amounts to a min guarantee. If you only flew one hour per day you would work for 16 days and acquire 16 hours but still get paid for XX hours. 16 days divided by whatever you get for flying XX hours equals your min guarantee for a day, whether you are sitting in a hotel or at the controls. So, if you spend 24+ hours in a hotel it becomes one of the 16 days worked and you get paid. To really make it simple for you, If you flew to destination on your first day and broke down and spent the next 15 days in a hotel you'd still get paid for flying 16 days, yes?

Of course I'm sure none of this is an issue if the 37 hour layover is in Mexico or Hawaii. It's only an issue if it's in Fort Mac (no offence to anyone from Fort Mac ).

I dunno, I don't work at WJ. Hence why I'm asking. I still really don't get what the whole argument is about. A minimum monthly guarantee is nothing new in the industry.

[True North]

You will have to wait for Dick Less Piker to provide the stooge with the appropriate answer.

These things take time to work their way down the union busting colon.

Ya know, you could do yourself a favour and actually dispute some facts presented, if that's possible, instead of perpetuating the mindless union thug stereotype.

[True North]

I dunno, I don't work at WJ. Hence why I'm asking. I still really don't get what the whole argument is about. A minimum monthly guarantee is nothing new in the industry.

Of course it's not new and it's not new at WestJet either. The pro-union types would like you to believe otherwise and it's a perfect example of what unions do during recruitment drives. That's why I generally don't like unions.

[Arctic84]

You will have to wait for Dick Less Piker to provide the stooge with the appropriate answer.

These things take time to work their way down the union busting colon.

Ya know, you could do yourself a favour and actually dispute some facts presented, if that's possible, instead of perpetuating the mindless union thug stereotype.

But you haven't presented any facts. Just the warmed over crap your masters have told you to spread.

WJ pilots get paid by the flight hour. No flight hours, no pay, so the time spent sitting with your thumb planted and pointed toward true north, are for free. Nada, nyet, zero. Do you think the accountants at the cruise ship sit in their office five days a month for free?

You think you're pretty smart about all things at the company. Where, oh where, is the dues money? Which bank, exactly? Who has signing authority on the account? If you know the answer, Queen Toady, you really are way ahead of the power curve. Because the pilots who had the money confiscated from them can't get the answers to those questions after repeated requests.

[True North]

But you haven't presented any facts. Just the warmed over crap your masters have told you to spread.

WJ pilots get paid by the flight hour. No flight hours, no pay, so the time spent sitting with your thumb planted and pointed toward true north, are for free. Nada, nyet, zero. Do you think the accountants at the cruise ship sit in their office five days a month for free?

What a crock of shit.

See my previous post.

[Arctic84]

But you haven't presented any facts. Just the warmed over crap your masters have told you to spread.

WJ pilots get paid by the flight hour. No flight hours, no pay, so the time spent sitting with your thumb planted and pointed toward true north, are for free. Nada, nyet, zero. Do you think the accountants at the cruise ship sit in their office five days a month for free?

What a crock of shit.

See my previous post.

If it's a crock of shit, then you're head down in it.

Your handlers have been giving you bad info to spread on the net. Who would have thought union busters would lie?

If you knew anything, which you don't, you'd know that WJ pilots get paid by the hour.[b[/b]There is no monthly pay scale. Only an hourly pay scale.

You would be a stooge, if stooges had an Uncle Tom.

[Arctic84]

Oh. And where did you say that dues money was?

Yeah. That's what I thought.

[True North]

But you haven't presented any facts. Just the warmed over crap your masters have told you to spread.

WJ pilots get paid by the flight hour. No flight hours, no pay, so the time spent sitting with your thumb planted and pointed toward true north, are for free. Nada, nyet, zero. Do you think the accountants at the cruise ship sit in their office five days a month for free?

What a crock of shit.

See my previous post.

If it's a crock of shit, then you're head down in it.

Your handlers have been giving you bad info to spread on the net. Who would have thought union busters would lie?

If you knew anything, which you don't, you'd know that WJ pilots get paid by the hour.[b[/b]There is no monthly pay scale. Only an hourly pay scale.

You would be a stooge, if stooges had an Uncle Tom.

Really pathetic.

Here are the facts as I understand them, please dispute:

1. Westjet pilots are scheduled for a maximum of 16 days a month.

2. You are guaranteed a minimum number of hours a month.

3. If you fly less hours because of a mechanical, a cancellation or any other event out of your control, you still get paid for the hours you were scheduled to fly. If you fly more than the minimum hours you get paid more.

4. If you call in sick you still get paid.

What have I got wrong?

[Arctic84]

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The part where you say there is a salary. Paid by the hour. There is no salary scale just hourly.

Now, where is that dues money banked Einstein? How do you feel about the pretend employee representation spending $750,000 on fighting unions. Their words, not mine. They didn't ask the employees if that was how they wanted their money wasted.

Sorry, who did you say were thugs....Uncle Tom?

[True North]

The part where you say there is a salary. Paid by the hour. There is no salary scale just hourly.

Now, where is that dues money banked Einstein? How do you feel about the pretend employee representation spending $750,000 on fighting unions. Their words, not mine. They didn't ask the employees if that was how they wanted their money wasted.

Sorry, who did you say were thugs....Uncle Tom?

You are one sad, sad little man. And you can't read.

Go back and re-read my post. Nowhere did I state "salary", and yet that is all you can dispute?

So WestJet pilots do have a min guarantee. I'm glad we finally established that.

[Arctic84]

Where's that money banked? Won't the they tell you? You must really be the lowest of the low in the stooge rank. Are you okay with that 750000 being wasted?

I don't expect you to answer. That's way above your minimum wage pay grade.

You should get a job as a Walmart greeter. You're almost smart enough for that.

[NewCommercialPilot]

Hey Arctic84, who or what is a Dick Less Pickle?

[Mach1]

I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is; WJ pilots work a maximum of 16 days per month and get paid for XX hours per month. I'm not sure what XX is (75? 80? 85?) but it doesn't matter, it amounts to a min guarantee. If you only flew one hour per day you would work for 16 days and acquire 16 hours but still get paid for XX hours. 16 days divided by whatever you get for flying XX hours equals your min guarantee for a day, whether you are sitting in a hotel or at the controls. So, if you spend 24+ hours in a hotel it becomes one of the 16 days worked and you get paid. To really make it simple for you, If you flew to destination on your first day and broke down and spent the next 15 days in a hotel you'd still get paid for flying 16 days, yes?

Of course I'm sure none of this is an issue if the 37 hour layover is in Mexico or Hawaii. It's only an issue if it's in Fort Mac (no offence to anyone from Fort Mac ).

Everything you say here is technically correct but only part of the story.

The situation you outline is like running into yourself having breakfast, it's highly improbable. Not impossible, but improbable. yes.

The more probable situation is this:
You have a minimum guarantee of XX hours per month (not per day) but you tend to be scheduled to XX+3 or 4. Good news, you won't get paid the minimum. Yay. So far, so good. Now, you are scheduled to XX+4 (let's say for ease of argument) and you complete those hours in 13 days... but you are still going to work 16 days because you are going to sit in YQX for 52 hours and YEG for 36 hours (as an example). So, you could have been finished in 13 days of scheduled work, been available for Overtime to help the company out with any shortages or enjoying the company of your family, getting things done around the house that can't be done when you are on the road or just catching up on some missed sleep... but instead you are sitting in a hotel room and getting paid... about $3/hour perdiems.

Now, if I understand the point the minimum daily credit guys are trying to make, it's that those 3 days of sitting would be revenue days instead of none revenue days. That said, you are correct that there is a minimum monthly credit and if you were lucky enough to be scheduled under the minimum you would be topped up to the minimum... and technically, that would mean paid days of sitting. It's just that in practice, this doesn't really happen for a variety of reasons.