The future

[pelmet]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... -shooting/

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-24/c ... eo/7873952

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/minnesota- ... -1.3668185

I made an earlier post about black lives matter issues and the response was three videos showing blacks being killed by white officers. Not much of a rebuttal but I suppose if that is what the level of discussion is...I gues that I will post my three videos as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_av_NRqWVE (action starts at 6:30)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1UjKqzVDCw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1UjKqzVDCw (shooting happens in first minute with the white victim appearing to have his hands up)

If any of these had been black victims, the rioting and racism accusations would have been relentless, defended and enhanced by the disgusting racism industry who look the other way in the cases I posted.

First, I will make a distinction, in your videos the police are obviously seeing a threat and those people are given a fair advice, in the other videos I shared, those guys aren't a threat. I'll give you a point though. It is not black and white. It is a complexe issue, it is partly fueled by racism and Trump really didn't help during his campaign.

You have no credibility left. You say that the cops saw no threat in the videos you posted. The first guy appears to not be following orders and is going toward his vehicle for whatever reason. In the second and third videos, you don't even see the shooting yet you say that there was no threat(or what is perceived to be a threat). In fact, the third video starts after the shooting that you are lying to us about no threat. You are just making stuff up now to support the usual lies. Without watching the three videos I posted, I seem to remember that the cops have a perceived threat and took action although I did see a white guy with his hands up getting shot.

The "work hard", you'll be successful isn't that simple. Public schools in the US are a disaster and they are not providing their youth with the tools they need to become succesfull. The wealth inequality is part of the problem. I know people who were accepted to Harvard, they had the school results, but not the money.

Actually, working hard works very well for millions of Americans. And millions of immigrants as well who came to this country with almost nothing from Vietnam, the Phillipines, China, and all kinds of other countries. It gets them into the middle class. Wealth inequality applies to them just as much as anyone else but the rape, robbery, and drug dealing just doesn't seem to happen nearly as much.

Some cultures just seem to have a lot higher percentage of people who do two or three jobs to get ahead while other cultures have a higher percentage who try all the easy ways that result in almost always failure whether it is quick cash doing illegal stuff or the legal but foolish long term unattainable goal of big easy money as a sports star.

Going to Harvard has little to do with being successful(although it sure is nice when your race allows you to bypass other races despit your lower marks meaning you don't have to study as hard).

[pelmet]

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[timel]

Pelmet, you know what, videos or not, I won't obstinate on every seconds in each video. I'll tell you a fact, there is racism, police make mistakes and there is racial profiling. The black community is targeted in the United States, in some states more than others. I have heard white people call black people, "those damn niggers"! It is an issue. In the rest of the world there would be consequences for saying those words, in the USA is it call free speech.

The day the American gov makes racist speeches and racist groups illegal, and they enforce it, it will be a step in the right direction in reducing tensions between the different communities.

This "cultural clashes" and saying that some communities are lazier than other, it is ridiculous.

[pelmet]

Pelmet, you know what, videos or not, I won't obstinate on every seconds in each video. I'll tell you a fact, there is racism, police make mistakes and there is racial profiling. The black community is targeted in the United States, in some states more than others. I have heard white people call black people, "those damn niggers"! It is an issue. In the rest of the world there would be consequences for saying those words, in the USA is it call free speech.

The day the American gov makes racist speeches and racist groups illegal, and they enforce it, it will be a step in the right direction in reducing tensions between the different communities.

This "cultural clashes" and saying that some communities are lazier than other, it is ridiculous.

The high crime communities are targeted which is almost invariably includes a community with a high percentage of blacks. How come other communities with minorities that don't have high crime are not targeted. Is Chinatown targeted? no. Do you not ever think to ask why. They are a different race. What's the difference. You know the difference but won't admit it.

And then.......OMG, some white people have used the term niggers. Yet when black people use the term(like in quite a few songs),.....oh, well it is OK. The same old disgusting double standard by the racism industry groups and their defenders who once again that allow that wonderful free speech but only based on race.

Here is a great song for everyone to listen to by a group called gangsta rap called Nigga, Nigga, Nigga..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqIsc8ooXug

I think I am going to download it and sing along to it in my car. Or is that racist depending on my race.



And remember...all lives really do matter.

Update...I just listened to the song and sang out loud the best I could to the lyrics with appropriate accent. It is kind of funny. Try it.

[timel]

Actually, working hard works very well for millions of Americans. And millions of immigrants as well who came to this country with almost nothing from Vietnam, the Phillipines, China, and all kinds of other countries. It gets them into the middle class. Wealth inequality applies to them just as much as anyone else but the rape, robbery, and drug dealing just doesn't seem to happen nearly as much.

We are getting there... I guess.
Yes, racism in any way should not be tolerated.

I still believe that black people are more targeted than other cultures in the USA and it created tensions. And we'll have to agree that we disagree.

I am not so far away, when I am saying that education matters.

https://www.quora.com/Why-have-African- ... to-the-U-S

The answers rendered thus far, and the questioner, somehow seem to have the two identities, Black and African-American, coalesced in to one while they clearly are not. Consider this list of median household income by race, ancestry and ethnicity.
[Source: List of ethnic groups in the United States by household income(HHI)]
Cameroonian American : $57,589
Nigerian American : $57,375
Scotch-Irish American : $56,658
Korean American : $53,154
Thai American : $52,367
Pennsylvania German American : $43,788
African American : $38,705
Yemeni American : $34,667
Sudanese American : $32,165
Iraqi American : $32,075

This should serve as a profound reality check to many, especially those touting race or sense-of-community to be the primary factors.
Notice how the 'black' Cameroonian Americans and Nigerian Americans are better off compared to the so-termed 'white' Scotch-Irish and Pennsylvania Dutch?! Also, African Americans are not at the lowest rung. Ethnic backgrounds with stronger community spirit, that is, the Arab American populace consisting mainly of Iraqi/Yemeni/Sudanese Americans lag behind the African Americans.
I wonder how many would believe that Nigerians are economically better off compared to Koreans.
So what seems to be the deciding factor?
Well, one important (and somewhat obvious) factor seems to be the educational background of the immigrant on arrival and how pre-trained the immigrant is with regard to the job skills that will allow him/her to hit the ground running on arrival. People of certain ethnic backgrounds that arrived to the shores of US after being filtered by a stringent background-checking seem to do well, point in case, Indian Americans with the currently highest HHI of $86,130.

Secondly, ethnic backgrounds that are part of the brain-drain phenomena vis-a-vis their native lands (tangentially related to the above point) seem to do really well, as they often see and seek America as the land of refuge free from the perceived societal/political upheavals and inadequacies of their native countries, a land, where their potential will finally be fully utilized. Point(s) in case being,
Indian American

[pelmet]

We are getting there... I guess.
Yes, racism in any way should not be tolerated.

I still believe that black people are more targeted than other cultures in the USA and it created tensions. And we'll have to agree that we disagree.

I am not so far away, when I am saying that education matters.

You are so right that education is important. And what is one of the biggest obstacles in the US to blacks getting a good education? Blacks get insulted by their own community for "acting white". Yes, that's right. A kid who studies hard is tormented by others in and out of their classroom that are the same colour. I quote a portion of an article that discusses president Obama's mentioning of this destructive cultural behaviour, which has nothing to do with racism from whites by the way.......



"When President Obama and first lady Michelle Obama speak to an audience of African Americans, particularly students, they invariably mention the trope of  “acting white.”  That is the notion that one impediment to black students’ success is the belief in some black communities that academic achievement is synonymous with whiteness, and therefore devalued.

In a commencement speech at Bowie State in 2013, Michelle Obama said to an audience of new graduates and their families and friends:  “And as my husband has said often, please stand up and reject the slander that says a black child with a book is trying to act white.”

The first lady is right, the president has mentioned the idea of “acting white” quite often. (And, yes, the Obamas also express pride in and offer praise for black students, especially when they speak at commencement ceremonies.)

As recently as Monday, while speaking to a room full of students at the Walker Jones Education Campus, where he announced a new round of investments for the “My Brother’s Keeper” initiative, Obama mentioned it again.

In response to a question posed by a young Native American man about what the U.S. government is doing to help American Indians revitalize their language and culture, Obama talked about the importance of “knowing your culture — the traditional cultures out of which your families come, but also being part of the larger culture.”

He then went into a riff on “acting white”:
Sometimes African Americans, in communities where I’ve worked, there’s been the notion of “acting white” — which sometimes is overstated, but there’s an element of truth to it, where, okay, if boys are reading too much, then, well, why are you doing that? Or why are you speaking so properly? And the notion that there’s some authentic way of being black, that if you’re going to be black you have to act a certain way and wear a certain kind of clothes, that has to go. Because there are a whole bunch of different ways for African American men to be authentic.

Obama is right when he says that the notion of acting white is sometimes overstated. Perhaps, it’s overstated by Obama himself.
The concept of “acting white” gained traction with a 1986 research paper called “Black students school success: Coping with the “burden of  acting white'”  by Signithia Fordham and John Ogbu that was based on the study of a predominantly black Washington, D.C. public school.

Fordham and Ogbu concluded that blacks created an “oppositional cultural identity,” because of their historical oppression at the hands of white Americans, and thereby had come to devalue whatever they associated with whiteness, including social markers like academic achievement and speech patterns.

Apparently, Black children’s perception that academic pursuit is “acting White” is learned in the Black community. The ideology of the community in regard to the cultural meaning of schooling, is therefore, implicated and needs to be re-examined.
In their speeches, both Obama and and the first lady call for that same re-examination, and locate anti-intellectualism squarely within the black community,  implicitly arguing that it is linked to  statistics that show black students lagging behind white students by almost every measure.

For Michelle Obama, the idea apparently comes from her personal experience–growing up in the South Side of Chicago, she was teased for talking “like a white girl.” And President Obama’s knowledge of the “acting white” phenomena seems based on his wife’s accounts, as well as his own work in Chicago as a community organizer."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/sh ... ing-white/




And now you know the truth. How the hell does a community ever expect to get ahead with this reality? And when are the "progressives on this forum going to acknowledge this self-destructive behaviour instead of the blame and discriminate against others game?

As I have said before, these people are condemned by their own culture, and this is a perfect example of it. Of course they have to work harder to make it. Because of the actions of their own community. Ask any black cop about the derision he gets from his own community for helping uphold the law. For more info, read this from Canada...posted below

[pelmet]

"Const. Mark Miller has been an Ottawa police officer for nearly a decade — eight years on patrol before moving to the force's recruiting section in 2014. In his current role Miller does outreach work to find people who may be interested in policing.
But after recent shootings of black men by police in the United States, and the retaliatory shootings of police officers, Miller says that job is getting tougher, particularly when it comes to his own community.

"As a police officer, I know it's impacting our field of work, and the appeal of being a police officer is definitely not there anymore," he says. ''I've been called a sellout, I've been called whitewashed, I've been called all sorts of names.'

"We offer a very competitive salary, we offer excellent benefits, but it's dangerous work, and the fact that these instances in the States are highlighting police officers as being the villains, and now they're being targeted, that's scaring some people off. I know that's a factor, and I can see that without having to see stats. I just know people are turned off from the idea because they don't want to be targeted just because of the uniform they wear."

'Treated poorly by my own race'
Part of the reason marginalized people might not want careers in policing is the scrutiny they'd face from members of their own communities, Miller says — something with which he has personal experience.  "I can think in my mind of more clear instances where I've been treated poorly by my own race because of the profession I've chosen, which may be another factor of why some people don't want this career from certain communities," he says.

"I dare say that I'm actually treated more negatively by people of my own community, at times, than I am by any other race. I've been called a sellout, I've been called whitewashed, I've been called all sorts of names. You do get your typical racist slurs which some people say in the heat of the moment or they're intoxicated; they don't like authority. So it's not so much me or [my] race that they're saying that to, but maybe the uniform or the organization or what I represent."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ot ... -1.3691017

So here we have our white society bending over backwards to try and get blacks into these great paying jobs and the few who actually take it up are ostracized by their community. And then guys like Rockie blame us as racists.

[Rockie]

Rockie,

You are of course, entitled to your opinions. But I find your sweeping generalizations of millions of people a bit absurd. Grand pronouncements such as "Millions of racist Americans who are deeply offended at having a black president are only too willing to believe him and they form the core of his support" or "Because the racist's ship has arrived and it's ok to be a racist again" are precisely the types of comments that the average person takes offense to and leads to them resisting those who perceive themselves their betters. I really think you underestimate just how tired and pissed off people are of their "leaders" telling them how they (the people) think.

Yes complex, there are millions of racists in the United States. And yes, they support Donald Trump because he himself is a racist with racist policies. I find it strange that you acknowledge the racial problems in the US yet reject the first step in fixing any problem which is identifying it.

I have never said all Trump's supporters are racists and I'm as aware as you are that there are many reasons for supporting him, not least of which is justifiably deep resentment for the status quo. But I can can definitely make another sweeping observation that all of them were willing to overlook Trump's racism, in fact all his "isms", and make him President in the delusional hope that he will fix it.

Trump's only two actual goals as President will be:

1. Further enriching himself and his family, and;
2. Exacting revenge.

Everything he has done in his life to date has been in the pursuit of those, and only those two goals. I invite you to show me otherwise.

[pelmet]

Rockie,

You are of course, entitled to your opinions. But I find your sweeping generalizations of millions of people a bit absurd. Grand pronouncements such as "Millions of racist Americans who are deeply offended at having a black president are only too willing to believe him and they form the core of his support" or "Because the racist's ship has arrived and it's ok to be a racist again" are precisely the types of comments that the average person takes offense to and leads to them resisting those who perceive themselves their betters. I really think you underestimate just how tired and pissed off people are of their "leaders" telling them how they (the people) think.

Yes complex, there are millions of racists in the United States. And yes, they support Donald Trump because he himself is a racist with racist policies. I find it strange that you acknowledge the racial problems in the US yet reject the first step in fixing any problem which is identifying it.

I have never said all Trump's supporters are racists and I'm as aware as you are that there are many reasons for supporting him, not least of which is justifiably deep resentment for the status quo. But I can can definitely make another sweeping observation that all of them were willing to overlook Trump's racism, in fact all his "isms", and make him President in the delusional hope that he will fix it.

The biggest racist groups in America are the blacks and the lefties who support racist legislation called affirmative action. These are mostly Clinton/Obama supporters. Imagine the disgusting type of person that would actually support legislation for hiring based on race. I have never heard Trump ever state that he supports hiring/university entrance based on race.

As the saying goes....actions speak louder than words. Saying the words that Trump has said pales compared to actually legislating race-based quotas.

Sorry Rockie...it appears(although not confirmed by actual statement yet) that you fall into that category as well. If so, how does it feel to be a racist? it just shows that racists can be from all walks of society. Airline captains, lawyers, bus drivers, professors. It is a scourge on society.

And I invite you to show me a Trump policy that is anywhere close to as racist as affirmative action race-based quotas.

Standby for no reply as ..... he doesn't have one.

[Rockie]

Thank you, you illustrated my point exactly.

No, you're missing mine.

Any country's first use policy - whatever it is - is irrelevant. To illustrate:

1. North Korea has a no first use policy but no one on earth trusts that.
2. Adopting a no first use policy at NATO would not embolden Putin to sweep across Europe.
3. Israel has never acknowledged having nukes and therefore has no stated policy whatsoever.

It's not nuclear policy that is the deterrent, it's the very existence of them. Threatening their use when you actually have the capability is viewed as unstable and enormously dangerous.

[JasonE]

I think I've had enough of politics, so I'll just leave this here....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0f ... be&t=3m17s

Anyone been flying lately?

[mbav8r]

It has begun, plenty of articles detailing an increase in racism since the election.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2869776
"Black University of Pennsylvania freshmen were added to a racist social media chat in what the school is calling a cyber attack.
Student Calvary Rogers said Friday afternoon that “every single black freshmen was added” to a group calling “N----r Lynching.”

Other posts in the GroupMe included messages saying “Trump is love,” calling someone a “dumb slave” and “GRAB THEM BY THE P---Y,” according to the Daily Pennsylvanian."

http://qz.com/833607/us-election-a-rash ... s-victory/
But some of his supporters have not heard that message. Even as Trump was speaking, one person in the audience yelled “Hang Obama,” and online commentators spewed a steady stream of racist, sexist, and anti-Semitic messages on a YouTube livestream, directed to “Anti-whites,” “Killery,” and “Jews in Congress.”
Things have gotten worse since then. Trump’s victory, which he achieved with 279 electoral college votes but without taking the popular vote, appears to have emboldened some of the white supremacists who support him offline too. Self-identified Trump supporters are harassing minorities, and calling for more organized white supremacy.

[pelmet]

The violence that I am reading most about today are the anti-trump protesters. Oops, I guess that is different and acceptable.

[pelmet]

This article is getting to the point of some of the reasons why "The Donald will son be "The Prez". Some of them might sound familiar to this thread...

Eight ways liberals can blame themselves for President Trump

1. Calling everything racist all the time
2. Flirting with identity politics
3. Mocking poor white people
4. Demonizing conventional conservatives
5. Flawed candidate
6. All the political-correctness talk
7. All the damned celebrities(endorsements)
8. …and by the way, the post-election protests aren’t helping

I have only posted the titles of each reason given in the article. The details can be found on this link....

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world ... nald-trump

[dhc#]

This thread belongs on that geezer forum the AEF

[LittleNelly]

Thank you, you illustrated my point exactly.

No, you're missing mine.

Any country's first use policy - whatever it is - is irrelevant. To illustrate:

1. North Korea has a no first use policy but no one on earth trusts that.
2. Adopting a no first use policy at NATO would not embolden Putin to sweep across Europe.
3. Israel has never acknowledged having nukes and therefore has no stated policy whatsoever.

It's not nuclear policy that is the deterrent, it's the very existence of them. Threatening their use when you actually have the capability is viewed as unstable and enormously dangerous.

I will make this as simple as possible for you since you dont read my whole posts anyway..... US DEFENCE POLICY EITHER DIRECTLY SAYS OR IMPLIES IT COULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN A PRE-EMPTIVE FIRST STRIKE IN RESPONSE TO A CONVENTIONAL ATTACK AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OR ITS ALLIES!
Some presidents are more vocal about reminding the world about this while others are more discreet... it does not change the facts that countries know that by attacking the united states or its allies with conventional means could result in a nuclear response.

Trumps approach could be seen as emulating Nixon's. Its the "madman theory". You want to come across as erratic and imbalanced with nuclear weapons in order make your enemies believe you will use them. "is obsessed about communism(lets replace with 'Terrorism'). We can’t restrain him when he’s angry – and he has this hand on the nuclear button” Sound similar eh? That was the message the nixon white house INTENTIONALLY put out there. So all those people calling Trump crazy with nuclear policy may actually be strengthening his intended position. Its a good thing people like you are afraid it means the theory is working.... kind of funny I guess in turn I am actually hurting his position as I am displaying that its for show and not real.

Nixon came across the same way but it didnt mean he actually went around nuking everyone. Eishenhower also took this approach as well as Reagan!
Democratic presidents did not take this approach but even they still took the stance that THE US MAY RESPOND WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN THE FACE OF A CONVENTIONAL ATTACK.


Just curious would you have made these same comments about Clinton had she won? You do know she threatened to use nuclear weapons against Iran in the 2008 primaries when she was trying to court the "hawk" vote.

[xsbank]

THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS....well, it probably is....maybe.

I didn't read all this, but take a look at the average politician (or to paraphrase George Carlin) think that fully half of them are worse than average and you need not be afraid.

Our Little Potato has reneged on almost all his election promises and he has already plunged us into huge debt such that he's screwing the next generation's children and has promised us new taxation in the interim to keep the rest of us poor.

Politicians will say anything to get elected and Trump is no different, saying what he thought would resonate with who he thought were his constituents. That worked.

Contrast our Little Potato with Trump - entirely opposites in just about anything you would care to measure them by but ours has already proven to be a liar and a spendthrift (with OUR money) and Trump has...what, exactly? Shot his mouth off? They are both nitwits, to be sure, and both are loose cannons; ours is conventional and pc but theirs is infinitely more interesting.

Rockie, you need to pour a bucket of cold water over your head and cool off, Trump doesn't even get sworn in til mid January.

[LittleNelly]

Seeing this discussion go down the rabbit hole about race I just want to point out a purely political science based analysis of the reason why Trump won. While some states may have been more inclined to issues such as immigration those states were not the ones that made the difference. Everything comes down to the electoral college and the reason Trump won was because he took key swing states and traditionally democratic states. In particular Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio. In these states it was the issue of the economy that was the deciding factor. Bring jobs back, that was the message that won over the so called "Reagan democrats". Whether or not he can pull it off is up for debate. And that is the key for the democrats in defeating him in the future. If they can show those voters that Trump failed to deliver, then they can put those states back in the democratic camp. The democrats must focus on the economic message, and not the racism message if they want to win these states back. In fact its counter productive to call these "Reagan democrats" hateful racists, it'll just upset them and entrenchs their position.

Bill Clinton's 1992 campain could not have said it better. "The economy stupid". When it comes down to it, its the economic message that decides elections. People may be passionate about security, immigration, environment, health, and taxes but the number one factor in elections always comes down to the economy. Whether or not its the fault of the sitting administration, trouble with the economy always brings about a change in the white house. Its why a party rarely hangs on to the white house for more than 2 terms. The regular economic cycle almost always guarantees am economic downturn no matter what policies are enacted.

Shifting the debate to immigration, alleged racism and hate, will not help the democrats take back the white house in 2020. Their path back runs through one issue only: How many(if any) jobs does Trump bring back. Thats how you win back Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio and thus the electoral map.

[complexintentions]

Rockie,

Your posts are like so much of the ones in the mainstream media - becoming increasingly shrill and desperate as they try and come to terms with an outcome they didn't expect and don't like. It's not possible to debate something reasonably in that context. You are clinging so tightly to your ideas about race that the conversation can't even begin. All "races", or more simply, as I prefer to call them, "people", act in their own self-interest. But in your view if white people do so, they're racist. How can we have a logical argument based on a illogical premise?

I thought perhaps it might be possible to reason and get you to step down from your pedestal and try see things from a slightly different angle than your own, but I've realized that you NEED your belief in the racist bogeyman to make sense of the world. That's fine I guess, but your worldview bumped up against another, wider one - and lost. You don't have to like it, but you will need to find a way to live with it.

So, combined with the fact that the conversation seems to have been hijacked by nuclear policy "experts" lol, I will grab my coffee and depart this thread.

Ciao.

[geodoc]

Disappointing that we will no longer have the benefit of your well-reasoned and insightful contributions.

Rockie,

Your posts are like so much of the ones in the mainstream media - becoming increasingly shrill and desperate as they try and come to terms with an outcome they didn't expect and don't like. It's not possible to debate something reasonably in that context. You are clinging so tightly to your ideas about race that the conversation can't even begin. All "races", or more simply, as I prefer to call them, "people", act in their own self-interest. But in your view if white people do so, they're racist. How can we have a logical argument based on a illogical premise?

I thought perhaps it might be possible to reason and get you to step down from your pedestal and try see things from a slightly different angle than your own, but I've realized that you NEED your belief in the racist bogeyman to make sense of the world. That's fine I guess, but your worldview bumped up against another, wider one - and lost. You don't have to like it, but you will need to find a way to live with it.

So, combined with the fact that the conversation seems to have been hijacked by nuclear policy "experts" lol, I will grab my coffee and depart this thread.

Ciao.

[geodoc]

For a more global take on Trumpism, I think that Mark Blyth cuts to heart of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JPm2nPfz7M






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[Eric Janson]

Clever satire by Comedian Jonathan Pie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs

[CpnCrunch]

Well, this thread has certainly been a very useful insight into the views of some of the posters here.

I would recommend reading Donald Trump's published policy on Muslim immigration here:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-rele ... mmigration

(The survey he references is based on the results of an opt-in online survey...)

[MrWings]

Well, this thread has certainly been a very useful insight into the views of some of the posters here.

I would recommend reading Donald Trump's published policy on Muslim immigration here:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-rele ... mmigration

(The survey he references is based on the results of an opt-in online survey...)

The survey was done by The Center for Security Policy

The Center for Security Policy (CSP) is a "not very highly respected"[1] Washington, D.C.-based national security think tank that has been widely accused of engaging in conspiracy theorizing by a range of individuals, media outlets and organizations. Its activities are focused on exposing and researching perceived jihadist threats to the United States.

[pelmet]

Well, this thread has certainly been a very useful insight into the views of some of the posters here.

Indeed. That being said, if I was forced to cast a ballot the other day, I would not have voted for Trump. I agree with Hillary's statement that he is temperamentally unfit to be president.