AC Lining Up with a Taxiway SFO...?

[Cat Driver]

Yes I do. I have no doubt it is receiving the attention it deserves within the company.

Am I to feel more secure now considering Air Canada considered Halifax a " Hard Landing."???

[Rockie]

When is the last time you flew into a busy American airport .?

I can't remember Rockie, it must have been in the late nineteen nineties when I was flying a corporate Turbo Commander and that airplane used the same speeds a jet does for the approaches.

Most of my IFR flying since 1996 was under Euro Control all over Europe and they have busy airports there also.

I have been retired since October of 2005, has flying changed that much since then?

When is the last time you flew into a busy American airport .?

I can't remember Rockie, it must have been in the late nineteen nineties when I was flying a corporate Turbo Commander and that airplane used the same speeds a jet does for the approaches.

Most of my IFR flying since 1996 was under Euro Control all over Europe and they have busy airports there also.

I have been retired since October of 2005, has flying changed that much since then?

Only gotten busier. I'm asking because the nature of your question suggests you've forgotten how major airports in the US need to function or you never knew in the first place.

Again, banning visuals is not an option especially in a place like SFO.

[Rockie]

Yes I do. I have no doubt it is receiving the attention it deserves within the company.

Am I to feel more secure now considering Air Canada considered Halifax a " Hard Landing."???

Show me the last time anybody at AC said that. You're taking out your ass Cat, you have no idea what AC has done to address that incident. Feel secure or don't, but don't pretend you know what you're talking about.

[Cat Driver]

I'm asking because the nature of your question suggests you've forgotten how major airports in the US need to function or you never knew in the first place.

Ahh.. now I get it I should not be commenting on something I never knew in the first place.

How stupid of me.

I'm out of this now Rockie before this whole thread gets binned.

[Rockie]

I'm asking because the nature of your question suggests you've forgotten how major airports in the US need to function or you never knew in the first place.

Ahh.. now I get it I should not be commenting on something I never knew in the first place.

How stupid of me.

So then you've forgotten?

[photofly]

If you can find an opinion from me on whether this incident was a big deal, medium deal or no deal at all feel free to share it with your loyal Canadian relatives.

Do you have an opinion as to the level of concern this incident should get?

Yes I do. I have no doubt it is receiving the attention it deserves within the company.

How much attention do you think you it deserves?

[Rockie]

How much attention does it deserve?

Enough.

[photofly]

Oh my goodness. Why can't you give a straight answer!?

[Old fella]

Well......... dare I suggest the cogs were all in place here. The AC A320 crew indicated something was a little strange on their final approach and queried as such, ATC said yes lined up on taxiway- go around, AC you bet- we are outta here right now. Isn’t that accident avoidance instead of accident happened.
As Rockie said (he works for AC and flies the type in question) this incident is currently being investigated/ addressed internally and corrective action plans implemented/adopted. Again, isn’t this how the system is supposed to work. Just asking.

[Rockie]

Oh my goodness. Why can't you give a straight answer!?

Because I don't want to. I'm content to let the NTSB, the TSB and the internal investigation find out why this happened, and I'm confident the company will address it properly. I am not interested in playing your games.

[rookiepilot]

?.....this incident is currently being investigated/ addressed internally and corrective action plans implemented/adopted. Again, isn’t this how the system is supposed to work. Just asking.

Isn't it the FAA/ NTSB/TC/TSB's job, after an incident, to do the investigating, determine cause, and then the appropriate parties to take corrective action -- directed if necessary?

AC or any other airline does not determine, on their own, safe operating procedures. Those agencies do.

[confusedalot]

It is perhaps an obvious answer to those who know.

Incident happens on US territory, US authorities have automatic jurisdiction. And no one else.

Think about the air transat out of fuel glider situation. Portuguese are the authority, canadian public servants have nothing to do with it.

So wait for the NTSB report. After that, the canadian bunch will do their typical knee jerk reactionary bureaucratic response.

[goingnowherefast]

But that's not how an anonymous internet forum works with a bunch of armchair investigators who maybe flew a fast turboprop 20+ years ago.

I'm waiting for said report to come out. A report that was made by people with access to the info we can just speculate on as well as actual relevant experience.

[Rockie]

?.....this incident is currently being investigated/ addressed internally and corrective action plans implemented/adopted. Again, isn’t this how the system is supposed to work. Just asking.

Isn't it the FAA/ NTSB/TC/TSB's job, after an incident, to do the investigating, determine cause, and then the appropriate parties to take corrective action -- directed if necessary?

AC or any other airline does not determine, on their own, safe operating procedures. Those agencies do.

Companies also - always - conduct their own investigation. I dont know what other companies do of course, but AC has many safety policies that greatly exceed the regulatory requirements.

[Old fella]

?.....this incident is currently being investigated/ addressed internally and corrective action plans implemented/adopted. Again, isn’t this how the system is supposed to work. Just asking.

Isn't it the FAA/ NTSB/TC/TSB's job, after an incident, to do the investigating, determine cause, and then the appropriate parties to take corrective action -- directed if necessary?

AC or any other airline does not determine, on their own, safe operating procedures. Those agencies do.

Well first of all FAA and TC do not investigate accidents/incidents but as you noted TSB and NTSB do that. Full disclosure: I spent 10 yrs at TC HQ and Regional level and 7 yrs with NC so I do have an idea how system(from TC/NC prospective works) and I did Minister rep duties on incidents.. Airlines and all operators do indeed determine safe operation procedures but they do so under the regulatory authority as directed by the Minister of Transport. NTSB and TSB have no regulatory authority in that regard under the CARs(Aviation), they determine Cause and Contributing factors and do not assign blame against crew/airline.. Having said that I can see how my statement could be construed to say AC has the authority to investigate, they can internally nothing stops any company from doing that. How they do it I don't know ask Rockie, he works there. As for flying I am a former ATPL, all industry 6000-8000 hrs in that range - I gave up counting many yrs back mostly BE90/100/200/C550 but light twin Seneca/Apachie/C337- a small amount of float time, enough to be dangerous.

[photofly]

Oh my goodness. Why can't you give a straight answer!?

Because I don't want to. I'm content to let the NTSB, the TSB and the internal investigation find out why this happened, and I'm confident the company will address it properly. I am not interested in playing your games.

Your failure to reassure me it was nothing to worry about answers my question about as well as anything else you could say.

[mbav8r]

Oh my goodness. Why can't you give a straight answer!?

Because I don't want to. I'm content to let the NTSB, the TSB and the internal investigation find out why this happened, and I'm confident the company will address it properly. I am not interested in playing your games.

Your failure to reassure me it was nothing to worry about answers my question about as well as anything else you could say.

So because Rockie won't get sucked in to speculation about an possible incident, I'll say that again, possible unless a go around qualifies as one, in your mind he has inside information and it's as bad as you imagine it!
Rockie, you have anything on MH370?

[Rockie]

Rockie, you have anything on MH370?

Not a thing, but if I were to speculate it's between alien abduction or pilot suicide. That could trigger a rehashing of another thread though.....

[atphat]

I'm asking because the nature of your question suggests you've forgotten how major airports in the US need to function or you never knew in the first place.

Ahh.. now I get it I should not be commenting on something I never knew in the first place.

How stupid of me.

I'm out of this now Rockie before this whole thread gets binned.

Kind of yes. I wouldn't comment "operationally" on medievac heli operations, water bombing, or military because I have no operational experience. See how that works? It's interesting you would equate flying your turboprop to transport category jets. Is there anything you're not an expert on?

[DonutHole]

Oh my goodness. Why can't you give a straight answer!?

Because I don't want to. I'm content to let the NTSB, the TSB and the internal investigation find out why this happened, and I'm confident the company will address it properly. I am not interested in playing your games.

Rockie won't give a straight answer because it's much easier to pick apart others thoughts than generate your own.

[photofly]

Because I don't want to. I'm content to let the NTSB, the TSB and the internal investigation find out why this happened, and I'm confident the company will address it properly. I am not interested in playing your games.

Your failure to reassure me it was nothing to worry about answers my question about as well as anything else you could say.

So because Rockie won't get sucked in to speculation about an possible incident, I'll say that again, possible unless a go around qualifies as one, in your mind he has inside information and it's as bad as you imagine it!
Rockie, you have anything on MH370?

i'm not asking for speculation of any kind at all. I'm asking if in his opinion an aircraft lining up to land on a taxiway and overflying four other transport jets is a nothing event, or a big deal.

I want his opinion as on the basis that he operates jets of this kind for this airline, not because he has any inside info. If he did, I'd expect him to say "I can't answer, I have inside information about this incident.", and I'd respect that.

[Black_Tusk]

AC or any other airline does not determine, on their own, safe operating procedures. Those agencies do.

Agencies set the minimum requirements. Many airlines go above and beyond what is required. You have a lot to learn Rookiepilot.

[rookiepilot]

AC or any other airline does not determine, on their own, safe operating procedures. Those agencies do.

Agencies set the minimum requirements. Many airlines go above and beyond what is required. You have a lot to learn Rookiepilot.

You are quoting me out of context. Quote me, please quote all of what I wrote.

Now --- it is not AC's (or others) role to independently investigate anything with the purpose of providing a PR statement that distracts from what regulators may say.

if AC (or other airlines) want to independently investigate and change procedures over and above regulators directives or recommendations-- fine.

I quite disagree with this process being used for PR purposes. PR statements, or ANY public statements from the airline, should be disallowed, IMO. The only voice to be heard, publicly, should be the regulator.

[Black_Tusk]

PR statements, or ANY public statements from the airline, should be disallowed, IMO. The only voice to be heard, publicly, should be the regulator.

Seig Heil.

[Old fella]

"Now --- it is not AC's (or others) role to independently investigate anything with the purpose of providing a PR statement that distracts from what regulators may say."

Can you provide a direct example of the above where you think that actually happened.