Roadrunnersmother wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:34 pm
Networking is another word for backside kissing. Why doesn't ones experience count for much?

photofly wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:43 am

Roadrunnersmother wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:34 pm
Networking is another word for backside kissing. Why doesn't ones experience count for much?

...your attitude, personality and human skills are with you forever - they need to be good enough on day 1 to see you through to the end of your career.

x15 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:59 pm Many many moons ago I was at Landmark really early one day for a flight across the ocean. I got my airplane ready to go and then had some time to kill while I waited for the skipper to show up.

I bumped into a couple of airline guys. I stood around with a coffee in my hand while they bitched nonstop back and forth about this and that. They complained about how they thought they should be given this or given that, because they have this many hours and this many years of seniority.

When there was a break, I did something I do not normally do, I said something. I thought it was constructive.

I said, the reason you are not getting hired by such and such is because you are a piece of S#!t. His eyes began to bulge and for a second I thought he was going to punch me before I could explain what I meant. I clarified by saying that I stood there and watched him piss moan and complain about this guy and that guy and that subject and that MEL etc for an hour. In an hour I did not hear a single good thing about anything.... I said you are like a big festering pile of s#!t. Tomorrow AC calls and says you have an interview. You go out, get a haircut, a new suit and a 20 dollar shave. I told him he was basically rolling that POS around in sprinkles and sparkles and trying to pass it off as a chocolate sprinkle donut.

An HR person that is worth a darn, is going to know in 10 seconds that the suit, tie and haircut are simply sprinkles on top of something that is already quite off kilter. Something won't add up and they will pass.

You want a job? Be excited, be happy, have a positive mindset. Generate skills and abilities outside of the flight-deck that are appealing to employers. Let other people see those skills, someone else telling the boss you are a great guy will go way further that you telling someone you are a great guy. Stop whinging about not getting a job simply because you have a license.

HR doesn't care about your logbook as much as you think they do. They care about the attitude you have hiding under the sparkles. Make sure it is the one they want and you will have your pick of places to go.

photofly wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:43 am

Roadrunnersmother wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:34 pm
Networking is another word for backside kissing. Why doesn't ones experience count for much?

Oh that’s an easy one. Because your experience increases on the job, so you only need enough to get you in the door. But your attitude, personality and human skills are with you forever - they need to be good enough on day 1 to see you through to the end of your career.

Roadrunnersmother wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:50 am
5000+ hrs should be enough to get in to the door at airline for B1900 FO position.

Aviatard wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:40 am

Roadrunnersmother wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:50 am
5000+ hrs should be enough to get in to the door at airline for B1900 FO position.

It isn’t. Hours alone don’t get you a job. If that were the case there wouldn’t be any interview process.

daedalusx wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:43 am Maybe it's the horrible resume and cover letter that makes HR give up before getting down to your experience level. Could also be auto flagged and trashed by the software that analyze it before even getting to a human being. By the sound of your posts you do sound like a unpleasant entitled dingus, but perhaps you could do some self introspection and rewrite your resume and cover letter since it's obviously not working the way it currently is ?

At the end of the day I'd rather fly a 4 days pairing with a 2000hr bright positive guy/gal then a miserable 5000+ hrs guy who thinks he knows better than anyone.

Also the airlines aren't for everyone ... I know I was a much happier person flying a smaller plane for an owner that knew me than be a just a number in a national carrier. Don't take it personally... Maybe they know it just wouldn't be a good fit.

Roadrunnersmother wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:50 am

daedalusx wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:43 am Maybe it's the horrible resume and cover letter that makes HR give up before getting down to your experience level. Could also be auto flagged and trashed by the software that analyze it before even getting to a human being. By the sound of your posts you do sound like a unpleasant entitled dingus, but perhaps you could do some self introspection and rewrite your resume and cover letter since it's obviously not working the way it currently is ?

At the end of the day I'd rather fly a 4 days pairing with a 2000hr bright positive guy/gal then a miserable 5000+ hrs guy who thinks he knows better than anyone.

Also the airlines aren't for everyone ... I know I was a much happier person flying a smaller plane for an owner that knew me than be a just a number in a national carrier. Don't take it personally... Maybe they know it just wouldn't be a good fit.

I paid couple hundred to Pilot Career Center for professional cover letter and resume.

digits_ wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:58 am

Roadrunnersmother wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:50 am

daedalusx wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:43 am Maybe it's the horrible resume and cover letter that makes HR give up before getting down to your experience level. Could also be auto flagged and trashed by the software that analyze it before even getting to a human being. By the sound of your posts you do sound like a unpleasant entitled dingus, but perhaps you could do some self introspection and rewrite your resume and cover letter since it's obviously not working the way it currently is ?

At the end of the day I'd rather fly a 4 days pairing with a 2000hr bright positive guy/gal then a miserable 5000+ hrs guy who thinks he knows better than anyone.

Also the airlines aren't for everyone ... I know I was a much happier person flying a smaller plane for an owner that knew me than be a just a number in a national carrier. Don't take it personally... Maybe they know it just wouldn't be a good fit.

I paid couple hundred to Pilot Career Center for professional cover letter and resume.

Doesn't matter how much you paid for it, it's obviously not working

a313 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:18 pm What do you plan on doing if six months from now you're still in the same position as you are right now?

a313 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:18 pm

Roadrunnersmother wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:15 pm

digits_ wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:58 am

Doesn't matter how much you paid for it, it's obviously not working

I agree. I will let them know to reformat.

What do you plan on doing if six months from now you're still in the same position as you are right now?

Roadrunnersmother wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:37 pm

a313 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:18 pm

Roadrunnersmother wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:15 pm

I agree. I will let them know to reformat.

What do you plan on doing if six months from now you're still in the same position as you are right now?

Get a suit and do road trip to hand deliver my cover letter and resume.

Roadrunnersmother wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:37 pm Get a suit and do road trip to hand deliver my cover letter and resume.

Diadem wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:10 pm

Roadrunnersmother wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:37 pm Get a suit and do road trip to hand deliver my cover letter and resume.

You mean introducing yourself to others, shaking hands... What do you call it? Networking?

Roadrunnersmother wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:14 pm

Diadem wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:10 pm

Roadrunnersmother wrote: ↑Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:37 pm Get a suit and do road trip to hand deliver my cover letter and resume.

You mean introducing yourself to others, shaking hands... What do you call it? Networking?

I mean walking my cover letter and resume in to 705 ops chief pilots. Online application is not working to date.

digits_ wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:13 pm

DanWEC wrote: ↑Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:27 pm Well, that and you don't exist, so there's that....

Best insult on AvCanada in a long time. Classy yet destructive. General yet personal. Impressive!

Mooseontheloose wrote: ↑Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:07 pm LISTEN UP LITTLE DUCKS!!! BANK OF MOM AND DAD PAID FOR TRAINING BUT I'M TOO SENSITIVE TO FIND A JOB!!!! MOMMA'S GOT NO MORE WORMS TO FEED YAAAAAH!!! TIME TO GROW A PAIR AND LEAVE YOUR SQUAT FILLED NEST!!! IT STINKS!!!

BACK WHEN MEN WERE MENNN!!! 250 HOUR NEWBS DROVE ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO TOSS BAGS DIG SHITTERS OR PUMP FLOATS LIKE A BASTARD!!! ANYTHING TO FLY KETCHUP CHIPS TO THE PANG AND BACK!! YEAAAAAA!!!!

MEN ITS 2018!!! NO ONE SAYS "HOW DEEEP DO YA WHANT THIS SHITTER!!!" OR "I GET HARD THROWIN BAGGSS"!!! CANT FIND A FLYING JOB NOW PROBABLY CAUSE YOU SUCK!!!!!!!! GO MAKE LATTES AT STARBUCKS!!!!!!!

YOU KIDS ARE SOFT!!!!! AC DONT HIRE WUSSSIESS!!!!!!!

Mooseontheloose wrote: ↑Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:25 pm I GOT 5000000000 HOURS WHY DOESNT EVAS HIRE MEEEEE?!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! YOURE A JOKE!!!!!!