Fourth wave discussion thread

[pelmet]

Funny how nobody is willing to address the longhaul Covid issue. I am a skeptic but made a choice. Have the other skeptic decided to risk becoming longhaulers?

[montado]

Go ahead, let us know.

How many kids 19 and under have longhual covid?

[photofly]

I wonder why Canada is pushing to vaccinate the young people here when other countries clearly need it more.

Young people spend all day breathing closely on each other in school then spend all evening in close proximity to their elderly family members. Those elderly family members don’t want to get sick, and nor do school teachers.

[montado]

I wonder why Canada is pushing to vaccinate the young people here when other countries clearly need it more.

Young people spend all day breathing closely on each other in school then spend all evening in close proximity to their elderly family members. Those elderly family members don’t want to get sick, and nor do school teachers.

Photofly you post some of the most ridiculous shit on here. Lol.

You still haven’t answered whether covid has changed the stats on how many more years of life people have on average when they reach 80 or 90. Did you lose that conversation and choose to ignore it? Did your logic come out the other end as living in some sort of fantasy land?

So what now you come here to debate about kids breathing on each other when the flu is more deadly to them? You want to give your CNN special hot take on how kids are the next wave of deaths! You could try using bold and the caps lock for more impact, maybe then we will take you seriously?

[CpnCrunch]

Photofly you post some of the most ridiculous shit on here. Lol.

He seems fairly sane compared to most of the posts here.

You still haven’t answered whether covid has changed the stats on how many more years of life people have on average when they reach 80 or 90. Did you lose that conversation and choose to ignore it? Did your logic come out the other end as living in some sort of fantasy land?

So what now you come here to debate about kids breathing on each other when the flu is more deadly to them? You want to give your CNN special hot take on how kids are the next wave of deaths! You could try using bold and the caps lock for more impact, maybe then we will take you seriously?

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... ical-year/

[photofly]

Double post

[montado]

I don’t really know what to make of the data you posted. Of course covid slides in somewhere as one of the leading causes of death, it took away mortality from different diseases. That’s definitely lots to digest.

I think more simply, look at deaths as a whole. Excess deaths.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-q ... 0c-eng.htm

Was the pandemic that bad? Looks like the pandemic didn’t really put a crazy dent of excess deaths after all.

In the early months of the pandemic, the weekly number of excess deaths and deaths caused by COVID-19 were closely aligned and mostly affected older populations, suggesting that COVID-19 itself was driving excess mortality in Canada. However, more recently, the number of excess deaths has been higher than the number of deaths due to COVID-19, and these deaths are affecting younger populations, suggesting that other factors, including possible indirect impacts of the pandemic, are now at play. From the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic in March to early June, there were 8,530 deaths where COVID-19 was the underlying cause, based on the medical certificate of cause of death. This exceeded the number of excess deaths (8,496) by under 1% over that period. The alignment at the start of the pandemic may not be surprising as it may have been too early for some of the possible indirect consequences of the pandemic to have an effect. At this time, excess mortality would have largely been driven by COVID-19 itself. Overall, during those first months of the pandemic, 86% of excess deaths occurred among individuals aged 65 and older. Similarly, COVID-19 deaths also disproportionately occurred in older populations during the March-to-early-June period. Approximately 94% of the deaths caused by COVID-19 involved individuals aged 65 and older. After several months during which deaths fell within the expected range, Canada once again experienced excess mortality at a national level beginning in September. From September to November, 3,626 excess deaths were reported nationally. Within this same period, there were 1,835 deaths reported to have been caused directly by COVID-19, although this number is expected to rise as more deaths are reported by the provinces and territories. In addition to the difference in the number of excess deaths and the number of deaths caused by COVID-19, the age groups affected by both were no longer as closely aligned in the fall as they were in the spring. Similar to what was observed in the spring, about 95% of the deaths directly caused by COVID-19 during the fall involved people aged 65 and older. However, during the fall of 2020, younger people became more heavily affected by excess deaths, as 35% of these deaths involved individuals under the age of 65, up from 14% in the spring. The number of deaths was 24% higher than expected for men aged under 45, followed by women aged 45 to 64, who recorded 14% more deaths than expected. By comparison, there were 6% more deaths than expected among those aged 85 and older during the fall period. As these shifts imply an increase in deaths not directly caused by COVID-19, it is important to note that some deaths may be due to the indirect consequences of the pandemic, which could include increases in mortality due to overdoses. For example, in British Columbia, the Chief Coroner's Office has reported increases in deaths due to overdoses since the start of the pandemic. Similarly, Alberta Health Services reported decreases in both the provision and use of substance use treatment programs as well as increases in opioid-related emergency responses and deaths since the onset of the pandemic. Overdose deaths disproportionately affect younger men. For example, according to a report by Alberta Health, between January 1 and June 30, 2020, 79% of apparent unintentional fentanyl overdoses were among men, with those aged 25 to 39 recording the highest proportions of such deaths.

[photofly]

Young people spend all day breathing closely on each other in school then spend all evening in close proximity to their elderly family members. Those elderly family members don’t want to get sick, and nor do school teachers.

Photofly you post some of the most ridiculous shit on here. Lol.

You still haven’t answered whether covid has changed the stats on how many more years of life people have on average when they reach 80 or 90. Did you lose that conversation and choose to ignore it? Did your logic come out the other end as living in some sort of fantasy land?

I think it will make have made a noticeable difference in average life expectancy for the elderly when statistics are compiled for this period, yes. One hopes that rapid vaccination amongst the elderly will have minimized the drop in average life expectancy, and restored it to pre-COVID levels as long as possible.

So what now you come here to debate about kids breathing on each other when the flu is more deadly to them? You want to give your CNN special hot take on how kids are the next wave of deaths! You could try using bold and the caps lock for more impact, maybe then we will take you seriously?

No, I don’t think anyone is scared of a wave of dying children. In fact I think you missed the point of my answer. The concern is children (with mild or no symptoms) infecting the adults around them, including their family members and teachers.

A reservoir of unvaccinated children travelling between schools and different homes would be a great mechanism to spread the disease between vulnerable adults.

[photofly]

Double post

[montado]

Young people spend all day breathing closely on each other in school then spend all evening in close proximity to their elderly family members. Those elderly family members don’t want to get sick, and nor do school teachers.

Photofly you post some of the most ridiculous shit on here. Lol.

You still haven’t answered whether covid has changed the stats on how many more years of life people have on average when they reach 80 or 90. Did you lose that conversation and choose to ignore it? Did your logic come out the other end as living in some sort of fantasy land?

So what now you come here to debate about kids breathing on each other when the flu is more deadly to them? You want to give your CNN special hot take on how kids are the next wave of deaths! You could try using bold and the caps lock for more impact, maybe then we will take you seriously?

No, I don’t think anyone is scared of a wave of dying children. In fact I think you missed the point of my answer. The concern is children (with mild or no symptoms) infecting the adults around them, including their family members and teachers.

A reservoir of unvaccinated children travelling between schools and different homes would be a great mechanism to spread the disease between vulnerable adults.

Do vaccines work? Are people in the at risk age groups able to access these vaccines that work? So what kind of fear mongering is this? Everyone has lost their minds and it started with masks. It was that the mask doesn’t protect you it protects everyone else. Now they say the same with the vaccines… what do I have to wear steel toes and a reflective vest now to keep you safe also? Everything is boiling down to we have to control everyone’s actions because the safety of everyone else could be compromised.

Life is short. I think it’s really sad the way some people are spending their final years. Avoiding family, living in fear. The exec deaths in Canada is proof that it’s not even just covid killing people. Excess deaths for other reasons. The cure is as bad as the disease.

How idiotic is this, that last summer people would go out in public with a mask and feel safe, and now that they have a vaccine that’s 90 percent effective, they don’t feel safe enough, and want kids to get a vaccine to feel safer. Teacher’s worked through most of fall 2020 and then the winter, and all of a sudden it’s not safe enough… they wanted vaccines…. They got them… but now we are back to it’s still not safe!

So if I go get fully vaccinated will we be safe? Or will you then tell me it’s not safe again, you need to get a booster… com’on man! This is outrageous!

[photofly]

Life is short. I think it’s really sad the way some people are spending their final years.

I'm tempted to add that your particular thoughts on the way other people choose to spend their final years is of no interest or relevance to them, nor should it be.

I think the older you get, the more you realize how precious life is. I get the impression from the way you write about the elderly that you're quite a young man. If that's true I think your attitude will change as you age.

[montado]

Life is short. I think it’s really sad the way some people are spending their final years.

I'm tempted to add that your particular thoughts on the way other people choose to spend their final years is of no interest or relevance to them, nor should it be.

I think the older you get, the more you realize how precious life is. I get the impression from the way you write about the elderly that you're quite a young man. If that's true I think your attitude will change as you age.

100 percent my attitude will change the older I get. Right now my goal is to live, not just be alive.

My grandfather will probably never see his great grandkids again. He lives in fear from this virus, always wears a mask, refuses the vaccine. This puts him in an interesting scenario. He probably only has a few years of life left, but his choices pretty much solidifies he will live isolated from the world.

He either has to get over the fear of covid or get over the fear of the vaccines. I just find it interesting the choice he is making for his final years. I mean we could do outdoors visits but no one drags kids around to family gatherings hours away to a place where you can’t even go inside to use a washroom

Is the fear rational? For all we know he could get covid from somewhere else and it could take him out. Is it worth the years that will pass with no family visits? We are social creatures, what a sad way to live the next couple years. Will people regret this time of our life? I really don’t know, I don’t have a good answer. That’s why I think it’s very sad the way people are living through this.

[pelmet]

Go ahead, let us know.

How many kids 19 and under have longhual covid?

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/ ... long-COVID

Same question from me as before.

[montado]

Sounds pretty serious.

I would say anyone who has had covid should not be allowed to fly any more. Seems career ending if they have shortness of breath and fog brain. Why hasn’t TC put out conditions that if you get covid they pull your medical?

[acpaleaks]

Sounds pretty serious.

I would say anyone who has had covid should not be allowed to fly any more. Seems career ending if they have shortness of breath and fog brain. Why hasn’t TC put out conditions that if you get covid they pull your medical?

Probably because Covid affects everyone differently, and likely many people who have had it don't even know.

We have a self assessment and reporting system in Canada, if you have brain fog and fatigue you are obligated to report it to your AME. If you don't you open up yourself to liability. If there was an incident the TSB will dig into every aspect of your life and if they find you were complaining to your friends and family about these things yet still continued to fly I'm sure it would not end well for your career.

Coles notes; if you're not fit to fly, don't.

[pelmet]

Sounds pretty serious.

I would say anyone who has had covid should not be allowed to fly any more. Seems career ending if they have shortness of breath and fog brain. Why hasn’t TC put out conditions that if you get covid they pull your medical?

Serious medical conditions and this is the response you get. Now we know who has no credibility.

[photofly]

My grandfather will probably never see his great grandkids again.

The fact that you’re still young enough to have a living grandfather makes me want to put my arms around you and give you a big hug. I understand that this pandemic is unsettling, frightening, even, especially to young people. It’s not surprising that that much of the response doesn’t seem to make sense to you. But I promise, it will end.

[rookiepilot]

My grandfather will probably never see his great grandkids again.

The fact that you’re still young enough to have a living grandfather makes me want to put my arms around you and give you a big hug. I understand that this pandemic is unsettling, frightening, even, especially to young people. It’s not surprising that that much of the response doesn’t seem to make sense to you. But I promise, it will end.

This pandemic is a total zit compared to what some people have gone through in life.

People are such soft whiners. Really.

[montado]

I was being sarcastic about the pilots being pulled off flying.

And in other news, Barbados is not accepting Canadians with two types of shots. Go Canada! Way to @#$! up peoples travel plans. Barbados is sticking to what the WHO has said. Good luck to all who are doing the government mixing science experiments.

And photofly @#$! off you wouldn’t put your arms around me. You meant to say virtual hug! It’s not safe to touch people. Maybe with a triple layer mask? Can we hug then?

[ReserveTank]

Young people spend all day breathing closely on each other in school then spend all evening in close proximity to their elderly family members. Those elderly family members don’t want to get sick, and nor do school teachers.

Photofly you post some of the most ridiculous shit on here. Lol.

You still haven’t answered whether covid has changed the stats on how many more years of life people have on average when they reach 80 or 90. Did you lose that conversation and choose to ignore it? Did your logic come out the other end as living in some sort of fantasy land?

I think it will make have made a noticeable difference in average life expectancy for the elderly when statistics are compiled for this period, yes. One hopes that rapid vaccination amongst the elderly will have minimized the drop in average life expectancy, and restored it to pre-COVID levels as long as possible.

So what now you come here to debate about kids breathing on each other when the flu is more deadly to them? You want to give your CNN special hot take on how kids are the next wave of deaths! You could try using bold and the caps lock for more impact, maybe then we will take you seriously?

No, I don’t think anyone is scared of a wave of dying children. In fact I think you missed the point of my answer. The concern is children (with mild or no symptoms) infecting the adults around them, including their family members and teachers.

A reservoir of unvaccinated children travelling between schools and different homes would be a great mechanism to spread the disease between vulnerable adults.

What you mean to say is that children are enemies of the current state, and thus must be injected with a mystery chemical.

"Vulnerable adults" are mostly comprised of 2 demographics: The elderly (always susceptible to death from minor diseases) and adults who aren't taking care of their health. The former, most people already know to be careful around. The latter, who gives a flying rats ass?

This pandemic is a total zit compared to what some people have gone through in life.

People are such soft whiners. Really.

Not so fast. Knowing history, they're not even close to finished implementing the regime change. It's going to get progressively harder. I have $20 on Holodomor 2: Western Hunger. I only say that because this is the exact style (only with faster tech) of regime change from 100 years ago which resulted in grandpa and grandma having to eat the grandkids. Bonus because it's the same people implementing it.

[photofly]

What you mean to say is that children are enemies of the current state, and thus must be injected with a mystery chemical.

I think, if I'd meant to say that, I would have said that. I didn't mean to say that, and in fact I didn't say that.

"Vulnerable adults" are mostly comprised of 2 demographics: The elderly (always susceptible to death from minor diseases)

And here we go with the "old people are really nearly already dead, so what difference does it make if they become actually dead?" meme, which is just so much stupid nonsense

so and adults who aren't taking care of their health.

And, right on time, there's the "sick and immunocompromised people have only themselves to blame" meme, which is also stupid nonsense. ("Why don't we just euthanise these people? They're such a drain on society, they should be grateful we allow them to live." And I was told I was the fascist...)

The former, most people already know to be careful around. The latter, who gives a flying rats ass?

Being careful would include getting vaccinated. It's not just a case of not sneezing on old people, you know. And, actually, we should all give a flying rats ass.

This pandemic is a total zit compared to what some people have gone through in life.

Those people are exempted from being hugged. They clearly don't have the right to any kind of consideration or sympathy because they've been through so much more and this is, after all, a total zit for them. I never want to hear a single one of them complaining about anything COVID - not about masks, not about social distancing, not about relatives dying from COVID (or not dying) nor losing their income, not anything - because to them, as you say, this whole pandemic is a total zit.

Other people are allowed to find these times quite challenging.

[Old fella]

My grandfather will probably never see his great grandkids again.

The fact that you’re still young enough to have a living grandfather makes me want to put my arms around you and give you a big hug. I understand that this pandemic is unsettling, frightening, even, especially to young people. It’s not surprising that that much of the response doesn’t seem to make sense to you. But I promise, it will end.

This pandemic is a total zit compared to what some people have gone through in life.

People are such soft whiners. Really.

As a cancer survivor, I couldn’t agree with you more.

[montado]

Apologies? You’re the one who invalidates everyone’s feelings during the pandemic like it doesn’t matter.

[TG]

The idea of getting the young cohort vaccinated is to prevent circulation and more importantly, mutations of this virus which could make vaccins less effective.

I wrote that two pages ago, It went largely missing by the usual gang of “nothing is happening, move along” Which bare the same logic as “I can’t see the earth’s curvature so it must be flat”

[pelmet]

Sounds pretty serious.

I would say anyone who has had covid should not be allowed to fly any more. Seems career ending if they have shortness of breath and fog brain. Why hasn’t TC put out conditions that if you get covid they pull your medical?

Serious medical conditions and this is the response you get. Now we know who has no credibility.

I was being sarcastic about the pilots being pulled off flying.

It still shows that your argument has fallen flat when all you can give is a silly, sarcastic response.

So what about long haul syndrome. Is it just a risk you suggest older people(say ‘30’s and older) take.

Please, no sarcasm.