Jazz merging with Air Canada?

[GIVCE!]

This bickering is exactly what ‘they’ love..di ck sizing amongst pilots. Facts are some have been pulling the line in the industry for 30 years plus and some have not. But they will. In every outcome the goal is to improve conditions or maintain if there is a gun to your head. Some have not yet had a gun to their head. Even this current environment is no gun. It is an opportunity. So let’s all just get the fu ck along and see what we can ALL gain from this opportunity. Use the experience of the ‘old guys’, don’t berate them. HOLD THE LINE. ONE VOICE. we have ALL been taken advantage of for far too long.
G

[CaptDukeNukem]

I’m kinda liking the dick swinging contest. Keep it going. It’s good to be angry

[Nick678]

So you took “gossip” from an “old ACPA rep” and posted it here again why? Have you even met Claude? Better to keep your gossip and opinions to yourself during these times. They serve only to divide…
Good luck in the negotiations. You will need all the expertise you can muster.
We are all watching with bated breath.

G

95% of this website is gossip and based on Claude recent actions all of it was believable. I have met and talked to him a few times. I know he's on a full union release but does he have a current medical? I'm really not trying to be a dick but he doesn't look in the best health.

During "these times" jazz is not in negots and it's been 2-3 years since the contract violations if you are referring to the CIRB stuff. If you are talking about just "unity" in general I think jazz having new MEC leadership would only strengthen it. There is a lot of bad blood at AC towards him.

Here are some of Claudes questionable actions: I know he's not responsible for AC screwing with some of these but he didn't have to negotiate a MOS without fixing the broken CA.
- 17 year contract
- no vote on the sky deal, how's exclusivity going?
- during the last road show Claude said the 60% flow did not need a "what if" because AC promised it was going to follow it.
- last MOS was a huge pile of shite, jazz still has the lowest starting industry wages
- When there was complaint of union members on release taking too much OT the schedule look up feature was disabled. We still have it at AC, even during "these time"

[rudder]

So you took “gossip” from an “old ACPA rep” and posted it here again why? Have you even met Claude? Better to keep your gossip and opinions to yourself during these times. They serve only to divide…
Good luck in the negotiations. You will need all the expertise you can muster.
We are all watching with bated breath.

G

95% of this website is gossip and based on Claude recent actions all of it was believable. I have met and talked to him a few times. I know he's on a full union release but does he have a current medical? I'm really not trying to be a dick but he doesn't look in the best health.

During "these times" jazz is not in negots and it's been 2-3 years since the contract violations if you are referring to the CIRB stuff. If you are talking about just "unity" in general I think jazz having new MEC leadership would only strengthen it. There is a lot of bad blood at AC towards him.

Here are some of Claudes questionable actions: I know he's not responsible for AC screwing with some of these but he didn't have to negotiate a MOS without fixing the broken CA.
- 17 year contract
- no vote on the sky deal, how's exclusivity going?
- during the last road show Claude said the 60% flow did not need a "what if" because AC promised it was going to follow it.
- last MOS was a huge pile of shite, jazz still has the lowest starting industry wages
- When there was complaint of union members on release taking too much OT the schedule look up feature was disabled. We still have it at AC, even during "these time"

The three pillars of the JAZ MEC Strategic Plan:

- Job Security
- QOL
- Career Progression

Measure success against those objectives.

Flow hasn’t come close to mandated ratio. Jazz pilots work more days per month than ever before. The fleet is (prematurely) shrinking.

I don’t hold the JAZ MEC solely responsible for the predicament. It takes multiple parties to arrive at this outcome (the employer/the union/the single commercial customer).

As it currently stands, even the ‘best possible outcome’ isn’t especially attractive. It resembles status quo.

The only question that remains is whether management can sustain an 80 airplane Jazz CPA operation until 2035. My bet is the current arrangement will not be in place thru 2035.

[Inverted2]

The above is correct. It’s almost as if they’re trying to sink this place. Schedules are the worst I’ve ever seen. On a positive note they can’t get any worse but 12 days off a month doesn’t cut it with me. I book off sick more now.

[Man_in_the_sky]

Since the post was about a ''merger''

For greater clarity, in the event of any future declaration of common employer
status and/or declaration of sale of business; purchase or merger of airlines or
parts thereof; or other combination of flying operations under the Company, the
seniority of employees who are to be added to the seniority list as a result of such
an event will commence no earlier than the date of the issuance of any CIRB order
regarding the declaration of common employer status and/or sale of business, the
date of the future purchase or merger of airlines, or the date of such other future
combination of flying operations, as the case may be.

That kind of close the subject of DOH.

[RoAF-Mig21]

Since the post was about a ''merger''

For greater clarity, in the event of any future declaration of common employer
status and/or declaration of sale of business; purchase or merger of airlines or
parts thereof; or other combination of flying operations under the Company, the
seniority of employees who are to be added to the seniority list as a result of such
an event will commence no earlier than the date of the issuance of any CIRB order
regarding the declaration of common employer status and/or sale of business, the
date of the future purchase or merger of airlines, or the date of such other future
combination of flying operations, as the case may be.

That kind of close the subject of DOH.

Okay. In English? I don't speak "lawyer"

[Man_in_the_sky]

noone will integrate the seniority list. it will be all bottom of the list in any case of merger

[RoAF-Mig21]

noone will integrate the seniority list. it will be all bottom of the list in any case of merger

Thank you for the clarification. I read that stupid thing twice and I couldn't understand it. It doesn't help English is not my native language.

[hithere]

Since the post was about a ''merger''

For greater clarity, in the event of any future declaration of common employer
status and/or declaration of sale of business; purchase or merger of airlines or
parts thereof; or other combination of flying operations under the Company, the
seniority of employees who are to be added to the seniority list as a result of such
an event will commence no earlier than the date of the issuance of any CIRB order
regarding the declaration of common employer status and/or sale of business, the
date of the future purchase or merger of airlines, or the date of such other future
combination of flying operations, as the case may be.

That kind of close the subject of DOH.

Sorry why are you posting this now? Is it part of the new Tentative Agreement and/or does this language somehow differ from the previous contract?