Dreamliner Down in India

[DanWEC]

If we can get off this weather derailment....

I'm wondering when the first preliminary statement will be made. India has had the boxes for 11 days now. Occasionally there's some voice recorder details available by now.
To me, it's alluding to an expectedly complex situation.

[digits_]

If we can get off this weather derailment....

I'm wondering when the first preliminary statement will be made. India has had the boxes for 11 days now. Occasionally there's some voice recorder details available by now.
To me, it's alluding to an expectedly complex situation.

ICAO says to issue a preliminary statement after 30 days.

[DanWEC]

I believe ICAO mandates having a preliminary report released within 30 days, not after.

Many accidents have been within days, whether official or leaked. Lion Air, Germanwings, Air France, etc etc.

[digits_]

I believe ICAO mandates having a preliminary report released within 30 days, not after.

Yes, sorry that was confusing. That's what I meant, you're right.

[Dias]

India says they won't be sending the black boxes to the US.

[newlygrounded]

India says they won't be sending the black boxes to the US.

I thought they hadn't decided yet, though this is almost a week ago

The government statement did not explicitly rule out the possibility of the flight recorders being sent to the United States.

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/ind ... 025-06-19/

[Dirty24.7]

The Indian government is extremely corrupt, they will try to spin this as boeings fault.

[cncpc]

And how exactly is the Indian government to blame for this? We don't even know the cause. But you know who to blame?

[mantogasrsrwy]

And how exactly is the Indian government to blame for this? We don't even know the cause. But you know who to blame?

They are not to blame for this. But protecting Air India is most likely their priority.

[Old fella]

And how exactly is the Indian government to blame for this? We don't even know the cause. But you know who to blame?

They are not to blame for this. But protecting Air India is most likely their priority.

Not uncommon…. Egypt Air 990 in 1999 is a good example.

[Tbayer2021]

And we also know Boeing is beyond reproach without any history of trying to cover anything up.

[shamrock104]

It would be prudent for these black boxes to be investigated in a neutral territory and not India or the US. India most likely will not want to find fault with their National airline and the US likewise with Boeing. I find it somewhat strange that not too much is forthcoming in the way of reasons or a potential cause at this stage and in no way am I suggesting that a full report is needed. If this is a fault with the aircraft why are they still flying???
If Pilot error is suspected then of course that is a different matter.

[goldeneagle]

And how exactly is the Indian government to blame for this? We don't even know the cause. But you know who to blame?

They are not to blame for this. But protecting Air India is most likely their priority.

Not uncommon…. Egypt Air 990 in 1999 is a good example.

It's not exactly common, one example doesn't make it 'common'. There have been other examples of similar incidents with no attempts as implied, good example would be Germanwings 9525.

[Dry Guy]

Survivorship Bias. You only hear about the cover-ups that get exposed.

[pelmet]

They are not to blame for this. But protecting Air India is most likely their priority.

Not uncommon…. Egypt Air 990 in 1999 is a good example.

It's not exactly common, one example doesn't make it 'common'. There have been other examples of similar incidents with no attempts as implied, good example would be Germanwings 9525.

The Ethiopian government is famous for this with a loss of control in instrument flight conditions near Beirut blamed on a missile along with the 737 Max crash. The NTSB criticized their investigative agency for basically lying in the reports to shift some blame to other parties.

[flieslikeachicken]

It would be prudent for these black boxes to be investigated in a neutral territory and not India or the US. India most likely will not want to find fault with their National airline and the US likewise with Boeing. I find it somewhat strange that not too much is forthcoming in the way of reasons or a potential cause at this stage and in no way am I suggesting that a full report is needed. If this is a fault with the aircraft why are they still flying???
If Pilot error is suspected then of course that is a different matter.

Representatives from the NTSB and AAIB are with the recorders and are participating in the data retrieval.

[Dias]

Imagine this happened in Canada and the world had to wait 2 years for our TSB investigation.

[Daniel Cooper]

The truck carrying the tail section drove under a large tree branch and smashed into it with the tail.

[Eric Janson]

The Indian government is extremely corrupt, they will try to spin this as boeings fault.

This is an extremely high profile crash.

I'm pretty confident we will get the truth.

[rookiepilot]

The Indian government is extremely corrupt, they will try to spin this as boeings fault.

This is an extremely high profile crash.

I'm pretty confident we will get the truth.

Every government is corrupt.

Give your naive heads a shake.

[Old fella]

The Indian government is extremely corrupt, they will try to spin this as boeings fault.

This is an extremely high profile crash.

I'm pretty confident we will get the truth.

I suspect you are very much correct in that “ high profile crash” is an understatement. Latest generation commercial airliner(B787-8) departed and simply pancaked in, the videos circulating would certainly suggest a huge WTF happened. If it’s a human factors investigation going forward, it will get very interesting. Time will tell I guess.

[W5]

Update on the recorders:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp3l4y5ngl2o

[Dias]

The truck carrying the tail section drove under a large tree branch and smashed into it with the tail.

It's just like the bridges in Vancouver!

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[Eric Janson]

The Indian government is extremely corrupt, they will try to spin this as boeings fault.

This is an extremely high profile crash.

I'm pretty confident we will get the truth.

Every government is corrupt.

Give your naive heads a shake.

You're correct - I'm not blind to that fact.

However in this case there are far too many parties involved (I'll bet they're watching each other very closely). If anything happens you can bet there will be people speaking out.

[Eric Janson]

The truck carrying the tail section drove under a large tree branch and smashed into it with the tail.

It's just like the bridges in Vancouver!

Just another day in Asia!

I lived in this region for 8 years. The level of Chaos/Corruption/Negligence/Incompetence/Nepotism/Theft and Fraud would shock you.

I've said it before - the only thing that surprises me is that they don't have more accidents!