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[khedrei]

I think he is for real.

Here you go.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/real-g ... industries.

Let me know how green the countries at the top of that list are. I bet India has a lot of electrification going on. Same with Bangladesh. I bet their stock markets are doing great too... another measure of real success of an economy according to you. Wait... does Bangladesh have a stock market?

Yeah, im really worried about my credibility.... I think youre just getting upset because you are realizing youre wrong and dont know how to express youre feelings.

[goingnowherefast]

Umm...China is at the top of your list too. Kinda makes my point that renewable electrical generation is good for economy. Growth in real GDP per capita is highest in the world, and their stock market is up. Both of our preferred economic indicators correlate with growth in renewable electricity generation. (FYI, China is 38% renewable electricity).

India added over 10,000 MW of renewable electrical generation capacity (wind, solar, hydro) as compared to 2800 MW of coal. That's growing renewables at over 3.5x faster than coal. Then they're down 285 MW of gas, even more in favour of renewables. So yes, India has lots of renewable going on in their electrical power generation. 22%, and growing.

https://www.pib.gov.in/FactsheetDetails ... g=3&lang=2

It was hard to find good data on Bangladesh electrical generation by source. Lots of natural gas, and a very small but growing wind/solar segment. Again, it was difficult to get good numbers on the growth of renewables beyond the vague descriptions. Unfortunately they are still quite heavy on fossil generation.

Bangladesh does have a stock market based in their capital city. (Google still hard to use?) The Dhaka Stock Exchange, or DSE. Despite their heavy reliance on natural gas for electrical generation, the DSE index is down. Maybe fossil fuel electrical generation isn't as good for the economy.

https://www.dsebd.org/

[khedrei]

You're right... the reason all the top countries on that list are doing so well is because of renewable energy. When we think of China and its 2 coal plants per week, we think of how green and renewable it is. Same with India. Germany too. Oh wait...

What was I thinking....

I guess some things you really can't fix.

[goingnowherefast]

Germany: https://ember-energy.org/countries-and-regions/germany/

China: https://ember-energy.org/countries-and-regions/china/

India is one post above yours, with sources.

[khedrei]

Germany: https://ember-energy.org/countries-and-regions/germany/

China: https://ember-energy.org/countries-and-regions/china/

India is one post above yours, with sources.

Germany is near the bottom of the list. And their energy prices are insane since they decided to switch to renewable and had to turn back on their coal plants or buy power from dirty sources. They are an example of what not to do.

So let me get this right.

China is at the top of the list for economic growth. But its not from their dirty 2 coal plants per week? Its because of their electrification and renewables?

India is near the top, its because of renewable?

Bangladesh is near the top. Not much data on their renewable but but because their stock market isn't doing great it means that fossil fuel electrical generation isn't good for their economy?

So you are picking ans choosing the reasons why those countries are at the top of the GDP growth list. If they produce dirty power, thats not the reason?

And my credibility is in question?

[goingnowherefast]

Germany: https://ember-energy.org/countries-and-regions/germany/

China: https://ember-energy.org/countries-and-regions/china/

India is one post above yours, with sources.

Germany is near the bottom of the list. And their energy prices are insane since they decided to switch to renewable and had to turn back on their coal plants or buy power from dirty sources. They are an example of what not to do.

So let me get this right.

China is at the top of the list for economic growth. But its not from their dirty 2 coal plants per week? Its because of their electrification and renewables?

India is near the top, its because of renewable?

Bangladesh is near the top. Not much data on their renewable but but because their stock market isn't doing great it means that fossil fuel electrical generation isn't good for their economy?

So you are picking ans choosing the reasons why those countries are at the top of the GDP growth list. If they produce dirty power, thats not the reason?

And my credibility is in question?

Since when is Germany adding coal capacity? That's a pretty steep downward slope in coal power generation. Your claim is easily demonstrated to be false.

China is building small amounts of coal. Sure, 2 plants a week, but they're evidently very small plants as compared to the absolutely massive solar farms they're building that surpass the rest of the world combined. The percentage of generating capacity from coal power in China is still decreasing, and at an increasing rate as they build renewable power generating capacity at a significantly faster rate. Approximately 10% of capacity additions are coal, Approximately 65% of capacity additions are solar. Wind and hydro make another ~25% of capacity additions. (Sources are linked throughout this thread).

Yep, India is adding renewable power generation.

Of the 2 economic metrics we've discussed, Bangladesh isn't doing so hot in one of the metrics. Whereas, every other economy we've discussed is doing well in both metrics discussed (local stock market and real GDP per capita). We have poor data on power generation sources and debatable economic growth. Not really a useful data point. Yet this small economy with unreliable data is your best argument.

You're grasping at straws, and even making false claims in an attempt to poke holes in my conclusion. I have yet to see you post anything that suggests increasing dependency on fossil fuels for power generation is good for an economy.

[khedrei]

Germany: https://ember-energy.org/countries-and-regions/germany/

China: https://ember-energy.org/countries-and-regions/china/

India is one post above yours, with sources.

Germany is near the bottom of the list. And their energy prices are insane since they decided to switch to renewable and had to turn back on their coal plants or buy power from dirty sources. They are an example of what not to do.

So let me get this right.

China is at the top of the list for economic growth. But its not from their dirty 2 coal plants per week? Its because of their electrification and renewables?

India is near the top, its because of renewable?

Bangladesh is near the top. Not much data on their renewable but but because their stock market isn't doing great it means that fossil fuel electrical generation isn't good for their economy?

So you are picking ans choosing the reasons why those countries are at the top of the GDP growth list. If they produce dirty power, thats not the reason?

And my credibility is in question?

Since when is Germany adding coal capacity? That's a pretty steep downward slope in coal power generation. Your claim is easily demonstrated to be false.

China is building small amounts of coal. Sure, 2 plants a week, but they're evidently very small plants as compared to the absolutely massive solar farms they're building that surpass the rest of the world combined. The percentage of generating capacity from coal power in China is still decreasing, and at an increasing rate as they build renewable power generating capacity at a significantly faster rate. Approximately 10% of capacity additions are coal, Approximately 65% of capacity additions are solar. Wind and hydro make another ~25% of capacity additions. (Sources are linked throughout this thread).

Yep, India is adding renewable power generation.

Of the 2 economic metrics we've discussed, Bangladesh isn't doing so hot in one of the metrics. Whereas, every other economy we've discussed is doing well in both metrics discussed (local stock market and real GDP per capita). We have poor data on power generation sources and debatable economic growth. Not really a useful data point. Yet this small economy with unreliable data is your best argument.

You're grasping at straws, and even making false claims in an attempt to poke holes in my conclusion. I have yet to see you post anything that suggests increasing dependency on fossil fuels for power generation is good for an economy.

Easily demonstrated to be false??

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/do ... 65_EN.html

Ok. Maybe you dont know how to use Google.

One of the many things that makes an economy strong is cheap energy. If renewables are cheap, then great. Unfortunately they aren't there yet.

You cant say in one sentence that China is doing well because of renewables and Bangladesh is doing well even though they aren't investing in renewables but in this case its not because of them continuing to invest in fossil fuels.

You are the one grasping at straws. Not every country on that list is investing heavily in renewables yet they remain on the list.

*Edit, several of the other countries in the top 10 rely heavily on the use of fossil fuels. Yet they remain high on the list. What's your explanation for their economy doing well despite their lagging investment in renewables? You can't have it both ways...

And again, the stock market is not the economy.

I think I might be done trying to help you see. Its clear it camt be done.

[goingnowherefast]

Well, thanks for asking the questions, it's been fun. I learned a lot about the renewable power generation while preparing my responses. Initially, I also had the impression China was entirely into coal and gas for electrical generation. Until you made me look into it, I didn't know the opportunistic, DGAF, China was 38% renewables and growing.