New hire bids

[truedude]

That haven’t offered yvr because any open position has to go to a current Jazz pilot first. So if someone is yyz Q and wants yvr they get the open spot and a new hire gets their yyz spot

The amount of western based Captains with Westjet interviews lined up is nuts! That PAL announcement motivated a lot of people to look elsewhere, many of whom were never planing to leave. Some who had been planing to go to AC.

It's very clear within company how west is being reduce. Alot of people leaving regularly from YYC as well.

AC will soon announce 220's covering JAZZ routes out of west and 737 joining YVR.

JAZZ will be limited to here in East. That too I doubt after PAL deal and Porter expansion into Montreal.

You know less than nothing. Your knowledge of Jazz or the industry is laughable. It is sad you spend your time spewing misinformation on here so consistently. I can't imagine why you received a PFO from Jazz, it is a complete mystery.

[capt_Z]

The amount of western based Captains with Westjet interviews lined up is nuts! That PAL announcement motivated a lot of people to look elsewhere, many of whom were never planing to leave. Some who had been planing to go to AC.

It's very clear within company how west is being reduce. Alot of people leaving regularly from YYC as well.

AC will soon announce 220's covering JAZZ routes out of west and 737 joining YVR.

JAZZ will be limited to here in East. That too I doubt after PAL deal and Porter expansion into Montreal.

You know less than nothing. Your knowledge of Jazz or the industry is laughable. It is sad you spend your time spewing misinformation on here so consistently. I can't imagine why you received a PFO from Jazz, it is a complete mystery.

Loosing 50-100 pilots a month and not having YVR Spots for new hires says everything.

[canadian_aviator_4]

It's very clear within company how west is being reduce. Alot of people leaving regularly from YYC as well.

AC will soon announce 220's covering JAZZ routes out of west and 737 joining YVR.

JAZZ will be limited to here in East. That too I doubt after PAL deal and Porter expansion into Montreal.

You know less than nothing. Your knowledge of Jazz or the industry is laughable. It is sad you spend your time spewing misinformation on here so consistently. I can't imagine why you received a PFO from Jazz, it is a complete mystery.

Loosing 50-100 pilots a month and not having YVR Spots for new hires says everything.

Alot of what capt_z says is questionable. However, I do agree with his message: Jazz is the titanic, and many pilots per month are scrambling for life boats (leaving) instead of going down with the ship.

[truedude]

It's very clear within company how west is being reduce. Alot of people leaving regularly from YYC as well.

AC will soon announce 220's covering JAZZ routes out of west and 737 joining YVR.

JAZZ will be limited to here in East. That too I doubt after PAL deal and Porter expansion into Montreal.

You know less than nothing. Your knowledge of Jazz or the industry is laughable. It is sad you spend your time spewing misinformation on here so consistently. I can't imagine why you received a PFO from Jazz, it is a complete mystery.

Loosing 50-100 pilots a month and not having YVR Spots for new hires says everything.

Those spots are backfield internally. As people have tried to explain to you, but you refuse to understand that. The baseline levels are being met at per the last published bid.

[swervin]

Apparently 6 no shows in the last class.

[truedude]

Apparently 6 no shows in the last class.

Can't be true... I heard Collin on the earnings call specifically say Jazz has no problem filling groundschools. And he wouldn't say anything misleading...

But yes, maybe now they will start to understand tye scope of their problems.

[rudder]

Apparently 6 no shows in the last class.

If that doesn’t demonstrate the problem then nothing will.

A lack of action now can only mean an unwillingness to accept and adapt to changing circumstances.

[CaptDukeNukem]

Apparently 6 no shows in the last class.

Can't be true... I heard Collin on the earnings call specifically say Jazz has no problem filling groundschools. And he wouldn't say anything misleading...

But yes, maybe now they will start to understand tye scope of their problems.

Filling ground schools isn’t the problem. It’s people showing up to them.

[Canoehead]

Apparently 6 no shows in the last class.

The last class had always been planned to be 16.

One "no show" actually advised in advance that they wouldn't be there - too late to fill the spot for the Monday morning start however.

15 started on June 5th.

[truedude]

Apparently 6 no shows in the last class.

The last class had always been planned to be 16.

One "no show" actually advised in advance that they wouldn't be there - too late to fill the spot for the Monday morning start however.

15 started on June 5th.

What a load of nonesense! You mean that is all you could find. We are about to lose 40 pilots in the next month, and you are claiming we only wanted to hire 16. Just like Colin saying in the earnings call Jazz has no trouble hiring "qualified" candidates. Apprently that means anyone with a CPL, because there wasn't a single ATPL person there.

We are sinking fast, and this is just a load of BS

[Canoehead]

What a load of nonesense! You mean that is all you could find. We are about to lose 40 pilots in the next month, and you are claiming we only wanted to hire 16. Just like Colin saying in the earnings call Jazz has no trouble hiring "qualified" candidates. Apprently that means anyone with a CPL, because there wasn't a single ATPL person there.

We are sinking fast, and this is just a load of BS

Not arguing with you. Just stating a fact. Call it what you want.

[truedude]

What a load of nonesense! You mean that is all you could find. We are about to lose 40 pilots in the next month, and you are claiming we only wanted to hire 16. Just like Colin saying in the earnings call Jazz has no trouble hiring "qualified" candidates. Apprently that means anyone with a CPL, because there wasn't a single ATPL person there.

We are sinking fast, and this is just a load of BS

Not arguing with you. Just stating a fact. Call it what you want.

Fact: Jazz is losing more pilots than we can hire. Fact, Jazz can't find ATPL pilots, and is mostly hiring low time CPL pilots. Fact, our training department is slowly eroding.

The above are facts, what you are saying is spin. And all it does is piss off the pilots at Jazz that know we are in deep trouble while management continues to pretend otherwise.

[kiaszceski]

What a load of nonesense! You mean that is all you could find. We are about to lose 40 pilots in the next month, and you are claiming we only wanted to hire 16. Just like Colin saying in the earnings call Jazz has no trouble hiring "qualified" candidates. Apprently that means anyone with a CPL, because there wasn't a single ATPL person there.

We are sinking fast, and this is just a load of BS

Not arguing with you. Just stating a fact. Call it what you want.

Fact: Jazz is losing more pilots than we can hire. Fact, Jazz can't find ATPL pilots, and is mostly hiring low time CPL pilots. Fact, our training department is slowly eroding.

The above are facts, what you are saying is spin. And all it does is piss off the pilots at Jazz that know we are in deep trouble while management continues to pretend otherwise.

There's something pilots need to understand. The Company is NOT in trouble. Everything is planned. Don't think they are behind the curve, because if that was the case Jazz Pilots would've had a better offer from the company.
Everything is planned so pilots think the place is going under. It is NOT the case.

Do what's best for you and your family and enjoy the summer.

[truedude]

Not arguing with you. Just stating a fact. Call it what you want.

Fact: Jazz is losing more pilots than we can hire. Fact, Jazz can't find ATPL pilots, and is mostly hiring low time CPL pilots. Fact, our training department is slowly eroding.

The above are facts, what you are saying is spin. And all it does is piss off the pilots at Jazz that know we are in deep trouble while management continues to pretend otherwise.

There's something pilots need to understand. The Company is NOT in trouble. Everything is planned. Don't think they are behind the curve, because if that was the case Jazz Pilots would've had a better offer from the company.
Everything is planned so pilots think the place is going under. It is NOT the case.

Do what's best for you and your family and enjoy the summer.

I don't see any sort of plan. Especially one that would require the sort of complexity you are suggesting. Our managers simply don't have it in them. I see a problem that was ignored until it can't be ignored any longer. A paper agreement with PAL that is standard AC negotiating tactics, but failing to understand that no one is scared or even cares if Jazz went out of business tomorrow. Pilots have options, and the days of bullying them into submission are over.

But what I don't like is people claiming their isn't a problem, which everyone can clearly see there is one. The idea we only want to hire 16 pilots with under 1000s hrs is laughable.

[rudder]

Not arguing with you. Just stating a fact. Call it what you want.

Fact: Jazz is losing more pilots than we can hire. Fact, Jazz can't find ATPL pilots, and is mostly hiring low time CPL pilots. Fact, our training department is slowly eroding.

The above are facts, what you are saying is spin. And all it does is piss off the pilots at Jazz that know we are in deep trouble while management continues to pretend otherwise.

There's something pilots need to understand. The Company is NOT in trouble. Everything is planned. Don't think they are behind the curve, because if that was the case Jazz Pilots would've had a better offer from the company.
Everything is planned so pilots think the place is going under. It is NOT the case.

Do what's best for you and your family and enjoy the summer.

Here is what the company knows:

Who is turning 65 this year

Who is leaving under the ERP this year

Who is leaving for AC and when (all info provided by AC)

Here is what the company doesn't know:

Who is submitting a resignation to leave Jazz for a carrier other than AC (and when they are leaving)

Who (in terms of qualifications) is going to apply to Jazz that has not already applied

Which training dept pilots are going to leave the training dept (and when)


Nobody can look at the combination of these knowns and unknowns and feel that there is an ability to predict what your staffing capabilities will be. Normally commercial operations are planned up to a year in advance. Now, even one month to the next can present significant variations in staffing (by base and/or equipment).

Pilots don’t run the company. These are not their concerns.

But there is concern when you have a front row seat to how these factors affect the day-to-day operation with no obvious remedy or response (other than holding back flow eligible pilots).

[rudder]

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[truedude]

Here is what the company knows:

Who is turning 65 this year

Who is leaving under the ERP this year

Who is leaving for AC and when (all info provided by AC)

Here is what the company doesn't know:

Who is submitting a resignation to leave Jazz for a carrier other than AC (and when they are leaving)

Who (in terms of qualifications) is going to apply to Jazz that has not already applied

Which training dept pilots are going to leave the training dept (and when)


Nobody can look at the combination of these knowns and unknowns and feel that there is an ability to predict what your staffing capabilities will be. Normally commercial operations are planned up to a year in advance. Now, even one month to the next can present significant variations in staffing (by base and/or equipment).

Pilots don’t run the company. These are not their concerns.

But there is concern when you have a front row seat to how these factors affect the day-to-day operation with no obvious remedy or response (other than holding back flow eligible pilots).

Well said

[Canoehead]

Fact: Jazz is losing more pilots than we can hire. Fact, Jazz can't find ATPL pilots, and is mostly hiring low time CPL pilots. Fact, our training department is slowly eroding.

The above are facts, what you are saying is spin. And all it does is piss off the pilots at Jazz that know we are in deep trouble while management continues to pretend otherwise.

I'm well aware of our predicament thanks. I'm not new here.

I'm also not sure where you have the idea I'm producing "spin".
Never said we aren't in trouble right now; I was simply replying to the rumour from another poster that there were "6 no-shows" on the June 5th class, and that 16 pilots was in fact the planned class size for that day.

[truedude]

Fact: Jazz is losing more pilots than we can hire. Fact, Jazz can't find ATPL pilots, and is mostly hiring low time CPL pilots. Fact, our training department is slowly eroding.

The above are facts, what you are saying is spin. And all it does is piss off the pilots at Jazz that know we are in deep trouble while management continues to pretend otherwise.

I'm well aware of our predicament thanks. I'm not new here.

I'm also not sure where you have the idea I'm producing "spin".
Never said we aren't in trouble right now; I was simply replying to the rumour from another poster that there were "6 no-shows" on the June 5th class, and that 16 pilots was in fact the planned class size for that day.

I am sure it was the planned class size... in so far that it was all Jazz could find to show up. If you could have found 20 to show up that day, I'm sure that would have been the planned class size.

[rudder]

Fact: Jazz is losing more pilots than we can hire. Fact, Jazz can't find ATPL pilots, and is mostly hiring low time CPL pilots. Fact, our training department is slowly eroding.

The above are facts, what you are saying is spin. And all it does is piss off the pilots at Jazz that know we are in deep trouble while management continues to pretend otherwise.

I'm well aware of our predicament thanks. I'm not new here.

I'm also not sure where you have the idea I'm producing "spin".
Never said we aren't in trouble right now; I was simply replying to the rumour from another poster that there were "6 no-shows" on the June 5th class, and that 16 pilots was in fact the planned class size for that day.

I am sure it was the planned class size... in so far that it was all Jazz could find to show up. If you could have found 20 to show up that day, I'm sure that would have been the planned class size.

That also presumes there were enough trainers and checkers remaining to accommodate the volume.

Not necessarily the case.

[truedude]

I'm well aware of our predicament thanks. I'm not new here.

I'm also not sure where you have the idea I'm producing "spin".
Never said we aren't in trouble right now; I was simply replying to the rumour from another poster that there were "6 no-shows" on the June 5th class, and that 16 pilots was in fact the planned class size for that day.

I am sure it was the planned class size... in so far that it was all Jazz could find to show up. If you could have found 20 to show up that day, I'm sure that would have been the planned class size.

That also presumes there were enough trainers and checkers remaining to accommodate the volume.

Not necessarily the case.

And that was sort of my point, and why I called the response "spin."

What does it matter if they planned for 16, or there were 6 no shows. It is like arguing, did the iceberg hit us, or did we hit the iceberg. Is any one of those better?

[Inverted2]

Regardless of ground school size, I am absolutely stunned by the amount of open flying in the past few weeks. I’ve had so many WDO calls I put the crew scheduling number on mute.

Our summer flying has been already significantly cut but I have never seen the amount of open time/canceled flights in my nearly 20 years here. I’m starting to think the company is intentionally steering Jazz towards the iceberg.

Upgradable F/Os are becoming more scarce and why would a DEC come to Jazz when Porter is paying nearly double starting wage?

[rudder]

Regardless of ground school size, I am absolutely stunned by the amount of open flying in the past few weeks. I’ve had so many WDO calls I put their number on mute.

Our summer flying has been already significantly cut but I have never seen the amount of open time/canceled flights in my nearly 20 years here. It’s truly bizarre. I’m starting to think the company is intentionally steering Jazz towards the iceberg.

Upgradable F/Os are becoming more scarce and why would a DEC come to Jazz when Porter is paying nearly double starting wage?

All good points.

I wonder if they are coming up in the (apparently) 17 days of negotiations that have been going on?

[nick_m_007]

This is last Monday’s class if anyone is wondering..


CRJ:
Yul 3
Yyz 5
Yyc 1

DASH
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